begrudgingly implements tracking protection by default, after being shamed into it yet again by Safari, the DuckDuckGo browser, and Gnome Web (just the ones I know who implemented it first) and talks a good talk while still having Google as its default search engine and continuing to get hundreds of millions from Google/Alphabet, Inc. – the largest surveillance capitalist in the world. (Mozilla Corp is ~entirely funded by surveillance capitalism.)



@dbuntinx Gnome Web on Linux, Safari on macOS/iOS, and DuckDuckGo on LineageOS are my primary browsers.

I thought DuckDuckGo's app for Android was a search bar only? Did they release their own fully-fledged browser too?

@aral @dbuntinx
I can understand supporting Gnome Web and #DuckDuckGo browsers.
Would you really recommend the closed-source Safari browser over the open-source Firefox?

Turning on Tracking Protection is just a button toggle away. There are some really good privacy-protecting add-ons like uMatrix, Privacy Badger, uBlock Origin etc. available for Firefox.

It would be bad advice to recommend #Safari over #Firefox to someone who doesn't know all the nuances about tracking and ad-blocking.

@njoseph @dbuntinx @aral As always, it depends on the threat model or your judging criteria. Firefox is open source, but if you read the source you'll find that it's sending a lot of detailed telemetry data back to a central collection point. You can of course disable that, but 99% of Firefox users will be unaware and are being farmed for data in a way that's arguably worse than what Goodle or Facebook does.

I feel like every time I install Firefox, it asks me if I want to allow telemetry. I always disable it, but with a little twinge of guilt... I mean, they collect it because it's useful, right? Presumably it has helped them build and improve a great and popular browser. I'm glad some people leave it on, and I don't think it's a hidden option.
@njoseph @dbuntinx @aral

@mikefordays @aral @dbuntinx @njoseph They collect it because they make money from search engines by selling access to run queries on the central telemetry database. It's not about improving the browser.

@bob @mikefordays @aral @dbuntinx @njoseph
this is absolutely not what is advertised when you install it. That's not the first time that I read such claims, but I can't find a concrete analysis of that behaviour. Is this documented or analysed somewhere ?

@RLetot @njoseph @dbuntinx @aral @mikefordays To anyone who is curious about this I'd say don't take my word for it. Read the source code and then read the forums related to the telemetry system and business operations.

Would you mind linking some relevant code or discussion? I am sadly not source-code literate.
@RLetot @njoseph @dbuntinx @aral

@mikefordays @bob @njoseph @dbuntinx Mozilla. Gets. Its. Billions. From. Google.

Mozilla. Is. A. Surveillance. Capitalist.

You do not have to feel guilty about opting out of their surveillance. They are not what they say they are.

@bob @njoseph @dbuntinx @aral thanks for this heads-up. I honestly git to know about the not tracking feature from Firefox itself and since then it has been on. Nevertheless does this means I'm clear from any data collection? Or are they still collecting something and for what purpose? I honestly like and support Mozilla due to projects like Firefox but also other things they do to help standards; internet privacy; education..

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