@aral What would you suggest those people do to their Mac OS or Windows computers, then? I'm pretty sure they're not going to be running some sort of Linux machine. As far as I know, there's only one company in existence building Linux machines for consumers.
@ben I’m not as worried about those on macOS right now (gotta pick your battles and Apple’s business model is 180 degrees from Google’s). A tiny percentage of them might end up installing Linux. However, we can’t base our strategy on that. We must invest in and promote folks like @Purism and System76 and @tuxedocomputers, etc. building turnkey solutions.
We can’t compete with the mainstream car industry by promoting engine replacements.
I'm actually worried more about Apple than Google...
With Google, we are handing them our data and we know they are gonna use it "against us" but while distrusting Google and trusting Apple, we give Apple a very good oppurtinity to screw us even harder than Google...
@mookie @finlaydag33k @ben @Purism @selea Apple designs their wares so the data stays on the device as much as possible. They’re not doing this because they are your friend but because they realise that they have an absolute competitive advantage in privacy. (They can provide a feature that would make Google go bankrupt if they tried.) That said, they’re a stopgap. We need ethical tech for the common good.
Apple also has a copy of users' data: https://www.apple.com/icloud/
The US government definitely knows about this: https://www.apple.com/legal/transparency/us.html
If Apple didn't have any data on their users, why would the US government request tens of thousands of users' data?
@ben @mookie @finlaydag33k @Purism @selea Look, I’m not going to spend another moment on this: if you can’t see that Apple and Google have wildly diverging business models and thus tell people “use either, they’re the same” then you’re opening up people to surveillance. Apple ain’t perfect. We need FLOSS and *ethical* alternatives. But they’re a fucktonne different from Google.
@hankg @ben @Purism @tuxedocomputers XPS hits that under Windows not (for me) under Pop!_OS 18.10. I get ~ 6 hours I think. GNOME might be to blame for a large part of that, GNOME Web would spin up the fans and bring the computer to a crawl when I was using it as my primary browser; tend to avoid it now for that & other reasons (e.g., drag/drop of image in Mastodon replaces the page/loses the toot, localhost requires protocol, etc.)
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