Q. What should I use to protect myself from surveillance on a Chromebook?

A. A hammer.

@aral yes, I'm sure that a hammer is the most efficient way to install an operating system on a laptop.

@ben That toot wasn’t for you. It’s was for the 99% of people apart from you who will never install a different operating system on their computer in their lives (and nor should they have to, just like 99% of people who drive a car never have to install a different engine .)

@aral What would you suggest those people do to their Mac OS or Windows computers, then? I'm pretty sure they're not going to be running some sort of Linux machine. As far as I know, there's only one company in existence building Linux machines for consumers.

@ben I’m not as worried about those on macOS right now (gotta pick your battles and Apple’s business model is 180 degrees from Google’s). A tiny percentage of them might end up installing Linux. However, we can’t base our strategy on that. We must invest in and promote folks like @Purism and System76 and @tuxedocomputers, etc. building turnkey solutions.

We can’t compete with the mainstream car industry by promoting engine replacements.

@aral

@ben @Purism @tuxedocomputers

I'm actually worried more about Apple than Google...
With Google, we are handing them our data and we know they are gonna use it "against us" but while distrusting Google and trusting Apple, we give Apple a very good oppurtinity to screw us even harder than Google...

@finlaydag33k @aral @ben @Purism @selea

I’m not quite sure I follow. We distrust Google and give them our data, we trust Apple and give them our data. What’s the difference? They’ve both gotten our data.

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@mookie @finlaydag33k @ben @Purism @selea Apple designs their wares so the data stays on the device as much as possible. They’re not doing this because they are your friend but because they realise that they have an absolute competitive advantage in privacy. (They can provide a feature that would make Google go bankrupt if they tried.) That said, they’re a stopgap. We need ethical tech for the common good.

@aral @mookie @finlaydag33k @Purism @selea

Apple also has a copy of users' data: apple.com/icloud/

The US government definitely knows about this: apple.com/legal/transparency/u

If Apple didn't have any data on their users, why would the US government request tens of thousands of users' data?

@ben @mookie @finlaydag33k @Purism @selea Look, I’m not going to spend another moment on this: if you can’t see that Apple and Google have wildly diverging business models and thus tell people “use either, they’re the same” then you’re opening up people to surveillance. Apple ain’t perfect. We need FLOSS and *ethical* alternatives. But they’re a fucktonne different from Google.

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