@aral And yet people buy it. The one I've talked to about it do not seem to care about theire privacy. I don't get it.

@der_On @aral

I know people who have "ALEXA", who change the room for "private discussions" - in their own house!

I don't get it.

@Federkiel
Someday people will built a house for Alexa where she can feel... at home! 🙃
@der_On @aral

@Federkiel

Honestly I find this less sad than them pretending like it isn't spying on them.

The people you mentioned probably see it as an outside service, like having a housekeeper or a maid.
They may be in your house, but sometimes you don't have private conversations in front of them.

I find this a much more healthy way of looking at it compared to the traditional intentional ignorance

@der_On @aral

@Federkiel @der_On @aral It's a tradeoff: they value Alexa's helpful
features so much they are ready to live with the adverse features, event if it means having a spy in the house and having to hide from it. That's a strange choice for me too, but it's not entirely irrational. At least, it shows they are aware of the issue, and if they had a privacy focused and convenient alternative, they would probably switch.

@sossalemaire @Federkiel @aral I've also talked abuot this with other web-developers, they do not mind. They say you have "privacy" settings you can enable.

Others let theire kids be alone with alexa, which use it to play music or radio plays.

We really need to teach media/internet competence in school and offer trainings about a sensitive approach to internet media for adults.

There is so much ignorance about this. It's almost like no-one really gives a f**k about it.

@der_On

As discussed with @vcrkhl here (mastodon.social/@mellifluousbo) people need to really personally feel affected by this. I agree with you that teaching about privacy might help here, although, again, this needs to have a very practical implication to be effective and prevent people from using these services.

@sossalemaire @Federkiel @aral

@mellifluousbox @vcrkhl @sossalemaire @Federkiel @aral That makes total sense. So a solution could be to create a workshop, that:
1. showcases some of the really bad and tangible examples
2. show alternatives
3. help people to initially setup and use those alternatives
4. spread the word

This of course needs at least some people that are actually interested. But then again they do spread the word hopefully.

@der_On

I would say that these 4 elements would be a great way to start. Happy to get involved more into something like this.

Have a look at Zanshin Tech, an Italian initiative related to this. Although their website is not perfectly descriptive, I'm leaving this here as inspiration: zanshintech.it/what.php

@vcrkhl @sossalemaire @Federkiel @aral

@mellifluousbox @der_On @sossalemaire @Federkiel @aral Workshops of some kind would certainly be a good idea. Of course, people have to care enough to actually attend. Nevertheless, worth exploring and I'll be happy to help with what I can!

@aral The answer from Amazon's spokerperson is priceless: "We’ll continue to invent more privacy features on behalf of customers.". You don't need to "invent privacy features" if you're not spying on people in the first place!

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