Mozilla is the Joe Biden of privacy.

@aral @hypolite 100%

Then I guess this obviously makes Chrome the Trump of browsers.

Maybe Surf would be some libertarian with good sounding minimal gov policies that just don't work well for anyone in practice.

What's the Bernie browser? Brave could be, in theory, but in practice it does some shady stuff and might not accomplish any of the social goods it claims to be about... I guess that makes it more of a Hillary?

@hypolite @aral @self I feel like the EFF is the Bernie Sanders of privacy. There aren't enough different prominent browsers to find one matching his personality. Maybe the Tor browser?

@self @aral @hypolite Shady stuff and failure to deliver is as Bernie as it gets.

@hypolite @aral @self I covered some of it here and here

I was going to dig deeper into his PACs, but then he dropped out. For the reasons why I have a problem with them see this post on Justice Democrats that applies the same way to the rest of them:

@hypolite @aral @self Tell me about it. The world is not in a good place and not on a good trajectory. But we have prevented fascism from taking over in 1940s and we can do it again. These are dark times, let's not allow them to become Dark Ages.

@hypolite @aral @self @angdraug Unfortunately I'm not attached enough to the world to go out of my way to prevent whatever's coming, and I'm privileged enough that I'll be confortable no matter what, so the apathy is real. As an immigrant in the US I can't even vote locally, however twisted elections are.

@hypolite @aral @self You can do a lot even as immigrant. You can pay attention and spread awareness and fact-check and call out disinfo. You can volunteer. If you've got green card you can even donate to campaigns.

@hypolite @aral @self @angdraug I looked into giving to the Great Slate but I don't have a Green Card yet and like I said i have little personal incentive to do anything anyway. I'm not happy about that fact but not enough to change it.

@hypolite @aral @self Have to be a permanent resident aka green card holder to donate. Until then, all you can do is speak and volunteer (e.g. drive people to polls or bring water and snacks to people in long lines). Which is a lot: if you encourage and enable two people to vote, you've already done more than an average US citizen.

@angdraug @hypolite @aral @self I read your post and it feels to me like unjustified slander.

The Justice Democrats, including Sanders, are in large part controlled by the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA), a big-tent socialist organization with many factions, from left-leaning liberals to hardcore Trotskyists and anarchists. However, the dominant faction is clearly Bhaskar Sunkara's Bread & Roses (, which controls the popular Jacobin Magazine ( Bread & Roses explicitly embraces Kautskyist Social Democracy and advocates entryism into the Democratic Party.

The Justice Democrats are not liberals, they are Social Democrats, and they run as Democrats for strategic reasons only, because the U.S. electoral system is biased against third parties. This isn't anything shady or secretive, just go to their websites and you can see their plans.

@jwinnie @hypolite @aral @self Which part of your confirmation that Sanders, JD, DSA, et al engage in hostile and parasitic entryism into the Democratic Party was supposed to demonstrate how my description of that is "like slander"?

Did you miss my explanation of the difference between Social Democrats and Democratic Socialists, or did you deliberately use the name I called out as inaccurate and misleading?

@jwinnie @hypolite @aral @self Your avatar implies that you have read the Anarchism FAQ. You might want to revisit section H and the appendixes on Marxism and Russian Revolution.

@angdraug @hypolite @aral @self I'm not a Marxist, nor am I a member or supporter of the DSA. Your article seemed like slander to me, not because you described Social Democratic entryism into the Democratic party as parasitic, but because you said several things which simply aren't true and make you sound like a conspiracy theorist.

Bernie Sanders, the Justice Democrats, and Bhaskar Sunkara are not Trotskyists. Bhaskar Sunkara self-identifies as a Marxist Social Democrat, and Marxist Social Democrats have always been critical of Leninism and the Soviet Union, to the point of allying with Conservative Parties rather than Communist Parties (look up Orwell's list).

@angdraug @hypolite @aral @self Also, your statement about Cuba, Venezuela, and Russia seems to imply that they are all in the same bloc - which is very far from the truth. These three countries have very different ideologies and don't share anything besides being the boogeymen of out-of-touch Americans.

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