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Aral Balkan

In this article on FLoC, the Firefox folks are quoted as saying “defaults matter.”

I couldn’t agree more.

So why’s Google your default search engine when you purport to protect privacy, Mozilla? (Surely it’s not the ~$0.5 billion they pay you every year.)

cxl.com/blog/floc-dovekey/

CXLFLoC: Google’s Plan to Kill Off Third-Party CookiesThird-party cookies are on the way out, which means big changes to how your paid campaigns will work. Get ready—or get left behind.
@aral Same with FF defaulting to use DoH and funnel all your DNS lookups to Cloudflare.
@aral That's what happens when your mission is not solely to create a browser. if that would be the case, their decisions would reflect that. They want people's data, attention or currency. It is like General Motors saying that all they want is to create vehicles for people, in order for them to go from one place to another. We know that's a lie. Firefox is probably not at all a GM monster, but they for sure do not simply want to "create a browser". They want more than that.

@aral Oh, it's worse than that. Mozilla pioneered the FLoC-like method of personal surveillance. You could say that they have acted as Google's skunkworks. If you are using vanilla Firefox then you're already FLoC'd by default, and it's hard to turn off.

Monitoring your browser interactions and then sending the data back to the mothership whenever the browser restarts (eg. an upgrade), with commercial partners deciding what statistics should be gathered, is what Mozilla has been doing in the last few years. You won't find much about it in their privacy blurb though. I think it's a dimension of why they have been consistently losing browser market share.

@bob Source? Also they aren't losing marketshare because of that. It's because Firefox gives users much less choice than Chromium does.

@person @bob If you don't believe me, read the source code and also check Mozilla corporation's telemetry forums.

@bob @person lol, that's not a source.

I also never heard Firefox doing any FLOC thing, it's only Chrome/ium currently.

@aral Also appatently Firefox uses Google's safe browsing as well.

@person @aral pretty much every major browser uses Google’s safe browsing

@blueberry @person @aral This is what I struggle with. What to use that has a balance of feature vs freedom?

@jsparknz @person @aral personally, I don’t care what the defaults are as long as I can configure it to do what I expect of a browser

@blueberry @jsparknz @person And that’s exactly what Google is banking on because they know 99% of folks won’t change the defaults. All they need are the defaults to be in their favour.