Clean up the web!

Developers, it’s time for you to choose a side: will you help rid the web of privacy-invading tracking or be complicit in it?

@aral For things hosted where there's limited ability to add HTTP Headers, do you know if a meta tag works for setting the Permissions-Policy?

@aral Hey, I like your website about raising awareness about this issue.

I’d like to share my own take on this issue with you however.

Instead of complying with Google and kindly asking them to not track your site with the interest-cohort=() policy, I suggest giving users that visit your site with with a FLoC enabled browser a popup asking them to install a different browser.

@ricardo Would you consider doing both? That way, you will also help protect people who may be forced to use Chrome. (e.g., if they lack the technical know-how to install a different browser or if they’re forced to use Chrome for work, etc.)

That said, a banner campaign is also a good idea.

@aral Hey, what about a German translation of your site? I would contribute to it / create it.

@aral Done :-) Pull request is on its way. Thanks for this GREAT summary. I love to spread the word!

@aral thanks for the website and all the information. I have to ping m'y coworker at @logilab to update #cubicweb

@aral Minimalistic & clean site design. ❤️

I have this all covered. I feel proud of myself :-)

@ton @aral was just about to share this myself but wanted to make sure no one else had already :meowlaugh:
cc @Seirdy

@ton “Sites which interest cohorts will be calculated on

All sites with publicly routable IP addresses that the user visits when not in incognito mode will be included in the POC cohort calculation.”

The confusion here appears to be:

1. Whether visiting your site is used to profile people
2. Whether your site actually makes use of cohort data via the JS call

The above quote says to me that the profiling occurs unless the site opts out.

@ton That said, the ambiguity itself works in Google’s favour, not to mention that its implementation will, of course, be in line with its business model.

What I don’t understand from the original document is where it links a web site requesting the cohort data via the JavaScript API with people only being profiled for having visited that site if that JavaScript API is used.

@aral @ton A site being included during cohort calculation can alter the generated cohort identifier. The cohort identifier adds some uniqueness to a user's fingerprint (the EFF estimates up to 15 bits of entropy).

Being excluded from cohort calculation has a chance to change a user's cohort ID Having a different cohort ID may or may not end up reducing the entropy of a user's fingerprint.

This is, IMO, one of the worst things about FLoC. The only winning moves seem to be to not track users and to not use Chrome.
@aral @ton The problem here is clear to me, they definitely want to profile users based on where they go, and are trying to find a way to do so. They will keep trying regardless of the success of this attempt. Any method(s) we the tracked use to, hamper the progress of such initiatives is acceptable to me, especially considering how this kind of technology can be misused/appropriated for worse things than trying to sell you jeans.

What really bugs me personally the most is the amount of resources and funding, behind such projects.... I will never understand why ads are such a huge revenue stream. I don’t know anyone who bought anything based on an ad personally, and you would think that money would be funneled into “influencers” which would probably yield more direct results.

@aral Like the statement. But please consider using another image than the kraken as it is an antisemitic trope

@michakees @aral There was an extended discussion about this topic ongoing about one year ago at @kuketzblog :

So his/her summary was to use it as a word isn't as problematic as using it as a cartoon.

@michakees @aral Don't get me wrong. If there's a good alternative for it I will replace it.

@michakees Hey Michael, I appreciate that the image of an octopus has been historically/even recently used for this purpose but I’m not sure that comparing a multinational corporation to a Giant squid from Norse mythology has the same connotation. That said, do you have any suggestions for alternative metaphors?

@aral @michakees
We fell for the same discussion wit @michakees recently 😅 I'm yet not fully convinced that a kraken is antisemitic under all circumstances, but it looks like the community favours a full ban. Finally we figured out that a predatory raccoon or a greedy hamster with a bag is a even better symbol. You find them already as stock vectors. Our front illustration is even CC.

@aral This is Marina Weisband, a Jewish author, giving an explanation of why the kraken metaphor is antisemitic - even if you don't have Jews in mind. I've added the subtitles. (CC BY 3.0,
@tracktor @codiflow

@michakees @aral @tracktor @codiflow I really can't follow that argument. It is correct that kraken as a metaphor might be an oversimplified thought. But to consider it antisemitic because "it might harm jews" and was sometimes used against Jews?!

In my opinion intention matters. The word "Jew" itself is sometimes used against Jews with a negative accentuation. The word or metaphor itself isn't the problem.

What I try to focus on is how the word might be interpreted by the people I want to communicate with. And quite frankly: This is the first time I heard somebody interpreting kraken as antisemitic. I didn't have that association and I suspect most people also don't have it. It wouldn't be used by ARD or ZDF if that association would be common.


i was confused by the above post too. but then went to do some research.

think of it like this - similar to swastika, which is ancient mythological symbol, the kraken/octopus was used by antisemitic literature, nazi propaganda and conspiracy theory writers as a symbol of world domination by jews. it simply carries this connotation to many. i didn't know that but it now makes a lot of sense.

@aral @codiflow @tracktor @michakees

@aral how about a vacuum cleaner?

I can't see how a kraken relates to something which collects data anyway. you ever saw a kraken using a notebook or collecting data? I mean, what is that even suppose to tell me? And why the hell is this called "bloody" at all?

Did I missed the moment when we started using stupid marketing wording to fight for data protection no matter how antisemitic it might be?


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