Regardless of whether Apple bows down to pressure on this, it shows you how they think. It’s their phone, not yours. Tim Apple is your daddy and as long as you live under his roof, you live under his rules. And he’s just made it clear he can enter your room whenever he likes and search your drawers. Might be time to think about moving out.

Problem is, where do you go? Do you move in with creepy uncle Google next door? No, he’s even worse.

And your banking app only works on iOS and Android…

…I’m seeing people say “just don’t use an iPhone.” It’s not that simple when everyday things like financial apps with two-factor authentication are locked into the two main platforms.

We need legislation to ensure critical services use open standards so you can use your Pinephone to buy lunch in the future.

It’s shocking how easily some folks jump to “just go live in a cave.” No, that’s not an acceptable alternative. We deserve to partake in modern life without sacrificing our human rights…

…It’s also victim blaming to tell everyday people they’re at fault for using one of the two main tech platforms instead of an (as of yet inaccessible) alternative. (I have two Pinephones and my room overflows open hardware. No, I don’t blame you for using an iPhone or an Android device. You’re the victim here.)

Blame the actual culprits: clueless legislators/policymakers who allow these monopolies to continue and fail to protect our human rights. Blame Big Tech and those who enable it…


Yes. If _I_ can't use a pinephone as a daily driver yet, how on earth are we expected to ask others to?

I'd very much like it if the folks developing for pinephone would treat it like a phone, not "here is a tiny computer! oh it has some phone parts. But you can hook a keyboard to it! Also that's how you get a pipe character, we didn't put that on the keyboard program. Which also doesn't do control or alt, so, um, yeah we don't really know what a terminal is used for but we've seen pictures! Also to take screenshots copy/paste this 150 character command."

And by "phone" I mean "shut the fuck up with your I'm not entitled to anything because I haven't contributed bullshit, that's why the iphone and android have 100% of the market and my pinephone can't answer fscking calls when someone calls me, WHICH IS A PRIMARY FUNCTION OF A FREAKING PHONE."

But I think you put it more succinctly than I do, and people who complain about your delivery ain't heard me when I'm grumpy.


@Truck Haha :) Don’t get me wrong, I’m very happy that Pinephone and other alternatives exist – regardless of their current state. At the very least it gives us escape hatches and foundations to build upon and refine.

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@aral Yes, I absolutely need to spend more time with mine. Possibly fixing a bug even.

But that doesn't mean it's a viable alternative. It means it _isn't yet._ And it won't if people don't stop with the "you have no right to complain" elitist bullshit. That will just accelerate the issues as people flee to something which is actually usable, and they'll allow their rights to be taken away due to convenience, as they're already on the ONLY options.


The way I've tried to describe the role of Pine here, and those of us who are its customers, is that it is a wedge keeping the door from completely closing on us all.


@deejoe @Truck Yep. That’s how see all our work at the moment, to be fair.

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