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I’ll henceforth be calling the “just don’t buy X’s products if you don’t like trillion-dollar company X” the “paint yourself into a corner” fallacy. The erroneous assumption being you have some sort of perfect free market without lock-in, oligopoly, network effects, or legislation to reduce or eliminate your choice entirely when it comes to fundamental issues like the products’ effects on your rights and freedoms.

Just don’t buy Apple. OK, now Google is doing the same thing. Just don’t buy…

(We cannot solve a problem that requires constitutional protections of our human rights by simply voting with our wallets.)

@aral I've always likened it to health isues: It doesn't matter a whole lot for me personally to get vaccinated, if almost no one else around me does it. We need herd immunity.

@aral
That is just conveniently ignoring the wealth of Free Software we built. Even if not every one can switch to it right now, a large number of people already use such software. We actually built and continuously building software that respects our rights. And constitutional rights are also same way, simply demanding we get rights won't magically win us rights. People have to involve directly in politics and be the representatives that care.

@aral
You are just using some people who cannot switch right now as an excuse for people who can switch as well. Do you stop eating food because some people still suffer from hunger?

@aral although you can install a libre software OS on the right android devices. I'm writing on a Sony Xperia bought second hand because it runs #LineageOS (although I've heard there are issues with binary blobs)

@aral
Yes, there are some changes that need only individual actions and some changes that need only collective actions. There are some changes that need both. Also the problem of legislation is not just lack of information, there are powerful forces at play and only if more people get involved in politics and such people become representatives we have a chance. Without alternative political parties and people building those, just calling for existing politicians to change is wishful thinking.

@aral If you're in a perfectly privileged position you can definitely

* Become vegan
* Eat local
* Not purchase products from unethical sources
* Not purchase products that have a supply chain that includes unethical sources
* Not unwillingly support products that have a supply chain that includes unethical sourcing

It all assumes this perfect world with infinite research time where *some* company will willingly meet all these criteria and still be affordable, have good customer service, etc

@aral And, with the impending 3G shutdown in the US, it’s literally impossible to buy a cellular phone (not just a smartphone, a phone) in the US without it having either Apple or Google’s fingers in it now.

(The old J2ME-based feature phone OSes don’t support LTE, so all the LTE feature phones are either outdated Android pretending to not be a smartphone, or they’re KaiOS (a partially Google-backed fork of Firefox OS) pretending to not be a smartphone.)

@aral (Yes, PinePhone exists, but it’s brand new e-waste and a toy, and as I understand, it doesn’t really work as a phone… and “working as a phone” over LTE means carrier certifications in the US.)

@bhtooefr
Interesting point of view, i was not at all aware of it, thx
@aral

@aral BTW I was thinking, if you have a phone that runs on Android, is there a way to make it privacy-ok?

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