Giving kids Chromebooks in schools is like serving them candy for lunch. It’s something you’d do if you were either clueless or hated their guts.
What I’m trying to say is stop normalising surveillance in schools, you absolute muppets.
@aral I totally agree with this. In my middle school (in France), they got rid of Firefox on ALL computers at school to impose Chrome in spite of my remarks… Nobody seemed to really care :(
@aral I'm fairly sure here in England that Thatcho actively resisted "healthy foods" being sold in school in favour of the "free market", and certainly whilst I was there all sorts of sweets, soft drinks were widely available and there was no pressure to not consume them (at one point there were junk food vending machines *in* schools, this might only have been stopped in the late 2000s)
It turns out you can't teach kids healthy eating habits by forcing them to eat healthy food any more than you can teach them skills by forcing them to listen to lectures and do homework.
@aral I wish there were a competitive open source platform with decent device management, that wouldn't cost a ton more than chromebooks and licenses. Unfortunately, papa google has really cornered the market there.
@aral I absolutely love the idea. It would be so hard to pull schools away from the lure of the Web Store and the Play Store.
@aral Well, now having dug back into Pine64 and related stuff, I'm very close to ordering a PineTime dev kit.
@aral from an entirely superficial perspective… that’s some yucky fuckin candy. it’d be one thing if Google’s Educational software was uniquely excellent in any way but - from what little I’ve heard from teacher family friends - it’s not even competitive.
and those goddamned colors….
You had to be signed into a Google account to use it.
You couldn't set it up without being connected to Wi-Fi.
A few of the "privacy settings" felt purposefully hidden.
Annoyingly, it would open Google Chrome on start up with no way to turn it off.
The program launcher would make internet searches when you tried to search a program, with no way to disable it.
In general, it lacked customization features.
@aral 100% agree with that. give the kids cheaper laptops that have a Debian or Achlinux distro. wouldn't be hard to lock it down.
Btw, anyone that see the irony here?
Kids should learn to work with Linux and at least something about basic security and how digital stuff works!
Most kids don't have a clue how the device works that they're holding and using each day.. These days it should be somehwat of a "basic skill" instead of something "special or for nerds"
Hahaha omg mate! I laughed so hard! I had the same thing when I was in "highschool" and this was about 13-15 years ago or so.. It was such a shame!
I even did an "exam" in AutoCad that I opened for the first time lol, it was just too sad.. Schools are very much behind on tech that's for sure
Haha oh yes! When I was 18 I did exams in Graphic Design on my OWN MacBook
The people that where watching the exams where all 70 or 80+
Just too insane for words.. We had classes where we would try to collect as much personal info from a teacher and present it at the end to see how "vulnerable" they are on the web. Teachers have often little but no clue about the digital world
@pswilde @selea @stux I’m not proud of this but seven-year-old me wrote and ran a quick simulation in BASIC that made it look like I was breaking into the FBI’s computer system complete with sound effects and everything (our BBC Micro was the only one in class that had a modem attached), until we got “caught” and were told to stay where we were as they were coming… it made my desk mate cry because he thought we were going to go to jail…
I try to use my talents more responsibly these days :)
@aral A lot of schools are forced to buy laptops for their students and Chromebooks tend to be the cheapest. It’s that simple. School’s don’t tend to really consider the software that’s on it.
@aral When you get to this point marketing becomes an issue. School’s probably don’t even know of the existence of Pinebooks.
I’m very sure you could market Pinebooks to schools, they seem well suited for school work as they totally able to run a web browser and word processor.
I think currently Pine64 would not able to supply schools with Pinebooks, they do not produce enough units yet and they also are not yet able to provide adequate support to be used in a school environment.
@SuperDicq@cdrom.tokyo @email@example.com schools use windows and or Chromebooks because they're really easy to remote manage and make accounts for (there's so many experts for windows domains and Google makes it really easy)
I would like to use Linux and some remote management/LDAP/policy but I've found almost no info on how to get remote home folders working, how to deploy policies, configuration files, etc and so Windoes simply works better....
I have never tried chromebooks, but from what I've seen the remote management is simple (Google Workspace)
Sure the Pinebook is cheaper, but schools can hire people off the street who can press a button to make the Chromebook/Windows work.
There are efforts to close the gap. Foreman, FreeIPA, and FleetCommander fill in the stack. Beyond that, config management like Puppet, Ansible, Salt, or Rex are the tools to look at for provisioning.
I like *nix systems, I run Linux on my desktop, I manage Linux systems professionally, and I’d like to see it more widely adopted as a desktop in education.
Home config sync is something I would like to see FreeIPA pick up.
@aral if I was given a Chromebook in school I would have immediately hacked the hell out of it and put some linux distro on it, without trying to hide that fact. either that or just refuse to use it. … I’ll omit stories of all the stuff I _did_ do with computers in high school! hahaha 😇
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