Tim Cook: Privacy is a fundamental human right.
Google: Here’s $15B, we even wrote you the check in crayons!
Tim Cook: …ah, very well, Eddy, show these fine gentlemen to the observation room and ensure they have everything they need.
@aral It's obnoxious, but there's no moral choice possible. Google's evil. Bing is MS and just as evil, but not so much directly feeding an ad business. Siri & DDG use Bing results.
Apple have made it easy to pick DDG for a long time now, and I expect a lot of new users would complain if they got a non-Google default.
If you know of a completely private, no-assholes-allowed search engine, I'd love to hear it.
@mdhughes You think it’s a problem a trillion-dollar company could solve if it wanted to? Do you feel the fifteen billion dollars might be a factor in their decision?
@aral Maybe? But if there's no good replacement now, taking $15B and not having to run your own search indexer isn't the worst choice.
@mdhughes Oh it’s a good gig if you can get it, definitely. Just shut up about how you’re this awesome defender of privacy if you’re going to do it is all.
@muppeth @aral Was, not anymore. It works good enough to make a topic based search engine but for providing more "general" results it requires a huge amount of storage and RAM. I guess in the long run it will waste a lot of money and resources with too little benefit.
Have you seen this blog post yet? https://drewdevault.com/2020/11/17/Better-than-DuckDuckGo.html
@aral What exactly is the alternative here?
Take maps for example. Apple wanted to compete with Google Maps and it turned into a decade-long meme about how Apple can't compete with the quality of map data that Google has. Even now, with Apple Maps being drastically better than it ever has been, I still know people who don't trust it and simply won't use it.
It's good to have choice, but defaults don't actually really stand for much when users already think they know what's best for them. 🤦♂️
Those savvy enough to use DDG et al find it trivial to change provider. Myself included. 😊
So Apple are making 15bn off something that the vast majority of their users would pick anyway. Seems like a good business decision to me.
@kev @aral @selea actually not. There have been studies about that regarding Android phones and the requirement to allow people to choose their search engine in the EU. (Which Google turned into a bidding show in a per country race.) The result: A little bit more diversity in the search engine market. Even though, there is still a majority of people using Google.
Also, not everyone selects for e.g. Privacy, look at the rise of ecosia.
@Dashtop well, probably a lot. However, I would question whether one actually needs to know that. One doesn't need to know what vendor of the library door, if you want to enter the library.
Main issue in our case here is that this specific door is an integrated naked scanner selling ads based on the result of these scans.
@kev I think most are not going to change the search engine. If they (apple) cared about privacy, like they claim, I think setting ddg as the default, with the option to change to google would be the default setting. Imo
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