@thenewoil “Our investigation found the iPhone’s tracking protections are nowhere nearly as comprehensive as Apple’s advertising might suggest. We found at least three popular iPhone games share a substantial amount of identifying information with ad companies, even after being asked not to track.”

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Did something happen to apple in the last couple of years? I have never been a huge apple fan and thus haven't kept a super close eye on their security/privacy measures but my impression was always that as much as I didn't like apple, you had to respect them for protecting users privacy.

Like they had that high profile fight with the FBI not to crack an iphone not too long ago and they just recently announced they were going to monitor apple users photos?


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It just feels like a u-turn from the old apple (tho again maybe it just looks this way from my limited knowledge?).

Was there a change in CEO or something that prompted this shift or?


Yah so basically the equation goes

Cancerous growth of US surveillance state + "this is the only way to stop child porn" + The cost of doing business in China = abandonment of privacy protections by Apple

Though one can't really blame China in the specific, this really seems like a broader movement towards a loss of individual freedoms caused by the increased power bestowed by technology to the already powerful.


@aral @thenewoil

I have gone back and forth between using windows and linux, but I think the quiet but extremely obvious shift of microsoft from selling operating systems to selling and monitoring users is definitely going to permanently push me into using just linux pretty soon.

I wonder if there will be an increased adoption of linux because of these things. I mean, it can still be a pain in the ass to use linux but at least I can remotely imagine normal people using it now..



Well I initially went with manjaro and that was pretty good. I honestly didn't have many issues with drivers which was great.

However I definitely had some headaches early on.

The big thing though is I guess I didn't update it for awhile and now the OS wont boot for some reason and my initial attempts to fix it failed.

I am gonna have to make a boot flash drive and try to use that to fix it but I am honestly not sure I can get it working again :(

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@Alonealastalovedalongthe @aral @thenewoil there's no ideology beyond capital. it's always been about profit. Apple is a hardware company grappling with a degrowth future.

@Alonealastalovedalongthe @aral @thenewoil are you referring to the old Apple that (a) had an exclusive deal with AT&T, who (b) happily shunted all their traffic directly to the NSA after 9/11, over 20 years ago?

some days I'm hopeful we can do something about the privacy mess we're in. but other days not so much, because nobody seems to know what's actually happened or for how long


Yah I don't get it, but it is terrifying because if apple jumped off a cliff into a pit of sharks google would gleefully jump off right after it.... but in this case google is already swimming in that shark pit.

Did the money behind apple decide that regulators weren't going to limit google's business strategy of selling users' data where they previously believed they would?

Is the global market for selling hardware saturated enough that apple feels "forced" to shift?


@aral @thenewoil

Does apple seem its growth primarily happening in china and thus see these kinds of privacy invasions as a requirement for operating in china?

(not that the US is some gleaming city of privacy protection either)

»in this case google is already swimming in that shark pit«

Google is one of the sharks, and Apple decided the best way forward is to become one, too, after noticing that no commercially viable group of consumers minded Google's shark-ness.

Around the same time, the US decided to normalize massive surveillance, supplying China and Russia with democratically-acceptable excuses, and making non-surveillance seem totally uncool.
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