Mozilla’s now director of public policy once asked me, with a straight face, why I was giving them a hard time and holding Mozilla to a higher standard: “we’re just another Silicon Valley tech company.”

But that’s not what you tell people publicly, is it, Mozilla?

Still, it’s time y’all got this.

Mozilla is a half-billion-dollar for-profit corporation – whose CEO makes >$3M/yr – that has a foundation do its PR.

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Mozilla isn’t an ally. Mozilla is Big Tech. Mozilla is Big Web.

@aral “Firefox Suggest acts as a trustworthy guide to the better web, surfacing relevant information and sites to help people accomplish their goals.”
That's proof that there's literally no difference between #Mozilla and any other #SiliconValley capitalists / privacy whitewashers, etc.

@aral ı wonder what browser you are using. ı also wonder why mastodon doesn't have a non-js version (ı'm not a fan of firefox nor chromium nor konqueror either)

@onat @aral

There _is_ a non-javascript frontend for mastodon (and similar) - brutaldon. (brutaldon.org) (and yes, I'm using it right now.)

@Truck @onat Wow, so unless you’re running your own instance, you’re browsing Mastodon on someone else’s machine. I really don’t understand why folks have such a strong reaction to actually running stuff on their own computers using JavaScript. (But also don’t want to spend the rest of the afternoon discussing it so *leaves*) :)

@aral @onat I suppose I don't really have that much of an issue with that considering that if you aren't running Mastodon locally, you're putting your data on someone else's machine... sending login credentials to another machine ... etc.

That host ( brutaldon.org ) is currently hosted by @djsundog .

I don't believe it is hard to host locally - so that's an option. It is 'small web' in my opinion (:

@Truck @onat @aral I love the characterization of a no JS web interface as a "Brutalist web interface".

We should adopt this analogy into our language immediately.

@aral @onat @Truck @urusan @aexiruch is there a database of sites that follow this design because I love it!

@blindscribe @aral @onat @urusan

Not that I know of... may be something to start a list _OF_ (:

but do let us know (the devs) how it works for folks who are "less sighted."

(ok I'm not ... active on the dev list but I am ... watching it. And. At some point I need to fix a bug or two (: )

@onat @aral I use #tut (github.com/RasmusLindroth/tut) in the terminal. If text-mostly is your brand of coffee, you might enjoy this...

@kf ı sometimes use tootstream github.com/magicalraccoon/toot ı just wanted to make a point about "everything sucks" attitude

@valerauko

Tor browser maybe ?

There is a "small" internet though, using another protocol and based on text only: gemini (which stems from gopher). You can try it out from putty.

@aral

@aral Yes, Mozilla's CEO is also not a great role model and not every decision for e.g. Firefox was perfect. It might be Big Tech and not I can see why you wouldn't call them ally. But to me Mozilla (or their products) seem not as bad as GAFAM (or their products). I'm reluctant to call Mozilla an enemy among the ranks of evilness as other Big Tech.

Do you think some differentiated judgement does make sense or really they don't deserve getting cut any slack?

@floppy If anything they’re worse: they have everyone believing they’re a not-for-profit fighting for human rights etc., when that’s just PR and they’re just another Silicon Valley Big Tech company.

@aral @floppy you have accused Firefox of many things, like to uphold surveillance capitalism and to be a fraud. What are the things you are backing yourself on.

@aral Yesterday I was posting this so your message left me confused and then I’ve read this note from someone who apparently has done more research

@aral Mozilla is the best we have right now, even if it's not perfect. All the hate it gets does not create better products, it just pushes people to Chrome and it's clones.

@andreipetcu It’s definitely not the “best we have right now.” That’s probably GNOME Web in terms of ethics. Sadly, it’s the “best we have under the Silicon Valley model.”

And there, again, folks should use it without being used by it by using Librewolf instead.

What we need is a to fund an organisation from public funds, to create a browser for the public good.

I know, how communist of me ;)

@aral What browser would you recommend then please?

@flavio Pragmatically? Librewolf. Or, if you can live with its limitations, GNOME Web.

@aral Aral, my friend, I tried to use Gnome Web, hoping it would be a Safari-like trip, but it wasn't hahaha Indeed I'm still looking for a new webbrowser as Firefox keeps crashing on my Fedora note. I greet any tip or advice (:

@flavio I wish I had some for you. It’s slim pickings out there.

@aral This is a complicated issue , because mozilla efforts for foss are evident, but it should be realised that privacy cannot be copromise even if the company is unable to make profit without going big tech way , so they needs to overcome this problem. Still we should not forget the tor browser the best browser for privacy and security

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