A little reminder that teaching “anti-capitalism” has been banned in English schools for over a year now.
The dystopia is now.
PS. Here’s a nice extracurricular reading list: https://www.dazeddigital.com/life-culture/article/50617/1/the-ultimate-anti-capitalist-reading-list-to-seize-the-means-of-production
@billstclair Hey Bill, some of us have these pesky things called human rights that we’re quite fond of in some parts of the world and we’d rather not regress to living by the law of the jungle if we can help it.
@billstclair @aral I don't understand the argument that "property is the only source of right". Are you saying that a person without property has no rights whatsoever? I thought rights were things that **everyone had regardless of any external factors**.
IMO, property is a double-edged sword. I believe that people are entitled to own the things they produced and have the right to trade them away. Land is absolutely an exception to that though, as no one can create it.
@billstclair @aral Yeah so that's where I think our opinions divert. I do believe that everyone has the *right* to a livelihood. That includes food and a piece of land. I can't understand people argue that if you don't own land (eg your parents rented and died), you just don't have the right to exist because your bear existence is at the mercy of the owner of the ground under your feet. That doesn't make any sense to me.
@billstclair @aral It's not about who will give them to you. But about the fact that you have the right to take them. Food grows on the earth, just as graze animals. Similarly we need a piece of earth to live on. Since we have the right of these things, we can take them. What you see and "entitlement" or expecting others to give these things to you is just a way for society to avoid conflict.
@billstclair @aral Since you have the right to food and we don't want you to take the fruit in my yard, we'll try to convince you to find food elsewhere. Since we prefer not to share our private space with you to live in, we'll try provide you your own space.
Like that, we avoid conflicts. Instead of attacking someone trying to take our food or land, we try provide them with an alternative. All in the believe that when everyone has their basic needs fulfilled, there will be way less conflict.
@billstclair @aral It's not about that. I'm an anarchist. But I recognize that even anarchism needs to be social if the goal is peace and freedom. Of course we don't need no government that enforces our social behavior with guns. We need a culture where social behavior in ingrained and considered normal.
Capitalism and individualism have brought us far away from that ideal, though. And education is currently our worst enemy, though it is also our only friend if we want freedom to get a chance.
@billstclair @aral Lol you just went from a stubborn grumpy conservative (which is a mood I can somehow understand in today's world) to outright insane 😂 Did you just say you believe people have subconsciously chosen their initial conditions here on Earth??
It's not "nobody else's fault". It's nobody's fault. If anyone's, it's your parents'. I think our conversation has reached a nice ending here :)
@billstclair @aral Any initiative that aims to help people less fortunate than yourself. Can be anything. Open access community gardens. Affordable housing cooperatives. A (once-a-week) free restaurant.
I often hear Americans say "we don't need the government to force us to be social, it needs to be voluntary". Yet the people saying that are usually the least inclined to do voluntary work.
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