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Right-libertarianism is the belief that democratically-elected governments shouldn’t be trusted but CEO kings are modern-day saints.

Meanwhile, here I sit, whispering “why trust either?” into the wind.

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@aral I think we should be careful with ad absurdum.

@jonn Wouldn’t ad absurdum imply things aren’t already about as absurd as they could possibly be?

@aral idk, I think it helps to be respectful towards their delusions. I changed opinions from somewhat resembling theirs to somewhat resembling yours not due to people defining my beliefs to fit their narrative.

I guess it really depends on what you're trying to achieve with the rhetoric. Just venting / ranting is also needed sometimes. :)

@aral that could be the key. Perhaps we can help libertarians see that the CEO emperors have no clothes -- show them how CEOs are exploiting, manipulating them, and stealing from them. That may be language they understand. All the #spam, #robocalls, #phishing, data breaches, and #darkpattern s are beginning to sink in with my libertarian family members. Teach them to distrust each other and we've "won".

@aral from CCCs hacker ethics:

>Mistrust authority - promote decentralization.

ccc.de/en/hackerethics

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I know it's probably not meant that way but I've too many discussions about this behind me not to jump in:

For a given definition of "trust", and for certain amounts of it, I agree.

But you should definitely trust democratically-elected governments with more things than non-elected ones, or those who are suddenly forgetting about democracy.

You can even trust CEOs -- to do whatever they believe benefits them.

Just don't assume morality. It exists but you don't know in whom

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