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Right-libertarianism is the belief that democratically-elected governments shouldn’t be trusted but CEO kings are modern-day saints.

Meanwhile, here I sit, whispering “why trust either?” into the wind.

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@aral I think we should be careful with ad absurdum.

@jonn Wouldn’t ad absurdum imply things aren’t already about as absurd as they could possibly be?

@aral idk, I think it helps to be respectful towards their delusions. I changed opinions from somewhat resembling theirs to somewhat resembling yours not due to people defining my beliefs to fit their narrative.

I guess it really depends on what you're trying to achieve with the rhetoric. Just venting / ranting is also needed sometimes. :)

@aral Even though I am considering myself as a right libertarian in a political stand point, I can't agree more.

@kayfabeengineer If there’s one thing I’m certain of: if you agree with what I wrote above, you’re not a right-libertarian. You might be a left-libertarian/anarchist or *shudder* a complex and evolving person who cannot be summed up by a single label but I’m pretty sure you’re not a right-libertarian ;)

@aral in all political compass tests, I shown at right bottom of the chart :)

I guess its about my anti-state and pro free market stands. But, I also care environment. Maybe this is the breaking point for me.

@aral

@kayfabeengineer

I think you hit the nail on the head with complex. Why do we put politics into one dimension? Or even two it would be oversimplified.

Agreeing with (let's called anarchists ) on one aspect doesn't make you an anarchists.

However, people like to make this assumptions, which is idiotic. It's the same reason why people like to associate (let's say right) with bad and left with good. To use "modern" technicism: Political opinion is a spectrum.

You get the point.

@aral that could be the key. Perhaps we can help libertarians see that the CEO emperors have no clothes -- show them how CEOs are exploiting, manipulating them, and stealing from them. That may be language they understand. All the #spam, #robocalls, #phishing, data breaches, and #darkpattern s are beginning to sink in with my libertarian family members. Teach them to distrust each other and we've "won".

@aral from CCCs hacker ethics:

>Mistrust authority - promote decentralization.

ccc.de/en/hackerethics

@aral
I know it's probably not meant that way but I've too many discussions about this behind me not to jump in:

For a given definition of "trust", and for certain amounts of it, I agree.

But you should definitely trust democratically-elected governments with more things than non-elected ones, or those who are suddenly forgetting about democracy.

You can even trust CEOs -- to do whatever they believe benefits them.

Just don't assume morality. It exists but you don't know in whom

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