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Neoliberals are basically just fascists with manners.
@aral Manners and a lack of self awareness…..
@aral They prefer polite fascists to rude anyone else.
@aral "I know your human rights are being taken away and violence against you is increasing but why do you have to be so *mean to me*??"
@aral Interesting. All extremists are only interested in controlling the masses. To them they are sheeps to be told what to do. Both just want power and the ignorant people believe that both are interested in their welfare. Not.
@HolgerFiallo @aral “Extremism” just means anyone who wants things to be very different from the way they are. Extremism is good because the way things are is bad.
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Politically "Centrist" is a term of abuse. @aral
Apart from them both being evil, I'm struggling to see the connection between fascists and neoliberals.
Facism is authoritarian, forcing people (except possibly a select group or two) into government controlled misery while neoliberalism lets the market freely allocate misery.
Facisists want to close borders to prevent others from taking their shiny toys while neoliberalists want to open borders so companies can exploit everyone at lower costs.
They result in different dystopias.
@FantasticalEconomics @aral both strive for "the best" to rule over "the bad".
In Nazi Germany free competition private markets were used to translate social darwinism into (almost) free market economy as they believed only through competition between private companies you find "the best" humans.
While other countries during the nazi/WW2 era reverted some of their privatization, Germany pushed for it more aggresively.
Those things are closer than people think they are.
All good points.
For me, l see them as two distinct tools used for oppression and keeping the 'right people' on top and the rest in their place.
I'd charge the original post to "neoliberalis are just racists with manors". But at that point I may just be splitting hairs.
@FantasticalEconomics @aral also you are probably aware of the neoliberal concept of inherited poverty, that is, it's basically because of the poor genes of poor folks that they are poor and no money will help them, so the argument is that social walfare for the poor is wasted money. And if they won't leave poverty on their own, nobody can help them.
That's literally a fascistic ideology. And it's part the neo-liberal core iedology.
I'm not sure if that is fascist ideology, it's definitely white-supremecist ideology though.
More importantly though, just because we see facism and neoliberalism coincide, doesn't mean that they are the same. When I see facisist governments use neoliberal policies (but only when it suits them) and individual 'neoliberalis' who support fascist policies (ex. the maga crowd), I just see it as people using whatever is convenient to oppress others.
Logically, fascism (and any other form of authoritarianism) is a polar opposite of the free market of neoliberalism.
The fact that racists have no desire for their policies to be logically consistent, to me, is a much better explanation for why the two appear together so often that people confuse them for the same thing.
@FantasticalEconomics @aral white-supremacy is a fascist ideology though. And no, it's not the opposite of free market economy. Nazis combined a free-market economy with central planning (because of the war).
And sure, you might want to distinguish the two, but if the end result is more or less the same, meaning an ideology of supremacy of one group over all the others, I'm not sure that differentiation is all that much meaningful in the end.
️ @FantasticalEconomics @aral at the end of the day neoliberals will always side w fascists bc it doesnt threaten capital
There's an argument to be made that the latter function basically as junkyard dogs for the former
https://www.bostonreview.net/articles/why-neoliberalism-needs-neofascists/
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It can't be overstated how much damage Neo Liberal Economics has done to Western countries and how much it has helped China.
@aral I saw them at the buffet, their manners were not so good, really.
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What is a "neoliberal"? I'm never sure what these words mean because the definitions change as suited.