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Except for being a political move, to ban an EU politician, isn't this a clear violation of Schengen agreement?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schengen_Agreement

And in practical terms without actual borders how do they prevent someone from just driving from France, Netherlands into Germany?

How can they know he is not IN GERMANY as they issued this ban?

What are they going to do, open up a concentration camp for non-genocide supporters.

The maturity of German politicians is of anthropological interest.

@aral

@yianiris I was wondering about that too.

@aral @yianiris Wondering if it is safe to comment on this, being on a German instance.

@martinvermeer @aral @yianiris
Why not?
If they want to go back to their old goose-stepping ways, then we can move to an instance with humanitarian values.

I've seen the speech he was going to give. Calling out a state for supporting a genocide shouldn't get one banned from that nation, nor from a social media instance.

@Jeramee @aral @yianiris Been thinking about that. Haven't been censored yet, but I feel the chill. As a scientist, I shouldn't have to leave an instance called fediscience. BTW the problem is not the instance but the jurisdiction.

@yianiris @aral you can certainly get to a lot of very weird conclusions if you start from a premise that is clearly non-factual...

What premise is non-factual?

@Amoshias @aral

@yianiris @aral you use the word premise precisely once in the post I responded to.

@Amoshias @yianiris @aral

Then explain how he is wrong? How are they not at war already?

@Jeramee @yianiris @aral I legitimately don't know how to answer that. How are you not a rooster?

I mean... Because words have meaning? Is that the answer? Because that's not what those words mean?

@Amoshias

You are asking 3 people neither one realizes to what context are you responding to, and what you write is a bit incoherent. You are speaking but not saying much.
Can you be a bit more specific?

@Jeramee @aral

@yianiris @aral I think you are an incredibly lucky person and have lived an incredibly privileged life that you can ask that question.

For your sake I hope you are able to go to your grave still being able to look at the situation you described and ask "if that's not war what is."

@jernej__s @aral

This is an exception because they consider Austria's border patrol for immigrants insufficient, but towards BE/NE/LUX FR there are no perceived borders. Some border crossing buildings have been converted to truck-stop/travel-plaza stations.

At night coming from Netherlands you can tell the border as the highway is no longer lit like it is day.

Laws are chaotic, politics should make sense to the masses, despite legalities.

Banning an ex-minister of another EU member state, to enter in an effort to silence him is beyond any legality a provocation and revocation what the EU has promoted.

It is an indication how Germany thinks and acts at this point.
This is the same country that hosted a #WTO meeting and treated the town it was held as if it was under military emergency to prevent "intruders".

@iMeddles @aral

Totalitarian regimes silence ideas, democratic institutions are not afraid of ideas, if they are in fact democratic.

This is not about entering Germany, he probably couldn't care less himself, it is about ideas being suppressed in Germany so Germans don't get to hear anything but the dominant mass media position.

@mikalkulas @aral

@maxheadroom Don’t even get me started :) https://ar.al/notes/farewell-not-goodbye/

@aral @maxheadroom

Ouch, ouch ouch. I've been following Yanis and DiEM for some years now and I really hope this stuff can be resolved in a positive way. We need organizations like this so badly, and they need to do things right.

@hans @maxheadroom I’ve basically come to the conclusion that no hierarchical structure, regardless of where it sits on the spectrum is fit for purpose if that purpose is to devolve power and make progress towards a fair, equal, and just society. So I’d look for flat structures that are not trying to replace the current power hierarchy with their own but to dismantle that hierarchy.

@aral @maxheadroom I want hierarchy dismantling but am quite concerned that by avoiding authority, we (progressives) are opting out of social leadership.

@hans @aral @maxheadroom allow me to suggest that focusing too much on (anti-)hierarchy reproduces it. Since reading Christoph Spehr's "eine Grundlegung der freien Kooperation" around 2000 I rather focus on how free cooperation can take many different forms including (temporary) hierarchical ones but requires the freedom to exit without sanctions .... No English translation I know off but here is an English interview with Christoph https://networkcultures.org/geert/out-cooperating-the-empire-exchange-with-christoph-spehr/ from 2006 and still on point today

@hpk the interview is great, I'm only halfway through and have marked it up with highlights. Wish I read German.

@hans great to hear you also appreciate it. It's indeed a long interview and discussion and contains a lot of interesting points (even though the praise of wikipedia is a bit too high in hindsight, but ok) even 18 years it was conducted. I still know of no other german intellectual promoting a similarly deep understanding of free co-operation, and the distinction of online and physical interactions. It's a pity that his german essays and writing have not been translated much as far as i see.

@Island_Martha Whatever you say, Martha.

@quitty > Free speech is being sacrificed with some regularity to retain peace, much to the benefit of the population.

Ssh, mustn’t upset the plebs, eh? Their little minds couldn’t possibly take being exposed to dangerous ideas like maybe we shouldn’t be complicit in genocide (you know, after that whole Holocaust oopsie). Daddy knows best.