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“Dissent must never lead to disorder.”
– Joe Biden
– also, fascism
ACAB @aral he is so funny. what does he want people to do? politely ask to please not murder children?
"They want you to be able to dissent. But they also want you only dissent in ways they can ignore."
- Zizek
(I can't remember the exact wording he used.)
*This* is how he's old. Calling immigrants "illegals" was even worse.
It's sad that Democrats are just conservatives at heart.
The Democratic party, not everyone that votes Democrat.
Until our election system is modified (as if ever), we'll never be able to elect someone for president that isn't from one of the two parties with an actual super majority consensus.
And for many of us in a winner-takes-all state, our Democrat vote for president doesn't even count anyway.
cweickhmann @aral
Except that under fascism, dissent often leads to death or encampment. What a stupid toot.
I fully agree. I can always say more:
"I'm hungry"
- Pol Pot, J. Stalin and Aral Balkan.
This comment of mine is stupid, no doubt. The original post comparing Biden and fascism was not much better.
@FunPoker @cweickhmann Not too clever, are we? Now go away.
@cweickhmann @aral It usually takes a while to get there. But it starts with the encouragement of violence by police, the restrictions of the rights to speak and protest, pointing the finger at “others”,…
Look a little familiar?
@cweickhmann @aral lol just fuckin wait dawg
@cweickhmann Right, because no students have died in the US for protesting, ever. Because people aren’t being massacred in their tens of thousands with American arms.
Stupid toot? Do fuck off.
@aral
If dissent doesn’t lead to disorder, you’re not dissenting enough
@aral Thinking bad words in my head. I have a consistent knee-jerk reaction to men telling me I need to play nice.
If we don't break the order, the order will never change.
@aral These protests have made me think about how uneasily the right to protest fits with democracy. And it actually makes me doubt that there would ever be a government, in any country, of any ideology, that would truly let them continue indefinitely unless they were too weak to suppress them.
@aral At the end of the day, people have an incredibly strong desire for order. In fact, I would argue that the rise of modern fascism comes from people who feel like society has become fundamentally disordered. Recurring protests, particularly those that take over public spaces, inevitably disturb the public order.
And the thing about protest is that it usually is a minority position. It is a tool you use precisely when you are inflamed but don't have political power.
@aral But the majority is going to hate the disorder and resent the minority trying to impose its views on the rest of society. And this is where it coexists uneasily with democracy even though it is a democratic right. Because at some point, the majority will say that the protestors have the right to express themselves but not to enact minority rule or disorder public spaces that all use.
@aral
"But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."
- the US Declaration of Independence
- also, anarchism?
edit: spelling
@aral „Just shoot them“
Donald Trump and other republicans
(Fascists)
@aral Who gets to define "disorder"?
@flowchainsenseifoss The answer is in the second credit.
@aral What's a credit? What's the second credit?
@flowchainsenseifoss I meant the credit for the quote. The second one being “fascism”.
@aral Ah. What we Brits call "attributions" Thanks for the clarification. :)