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Regardless of whether Apple bows down to pressure on this, it shows you how they think. It’s their phone, not yours. Tim Apple is your daddy and as long as you live under his roof, you live under his rules. And he’s just made it clear he can enter your room whenever he likes and search your drawers. Might be time to think about moving out.
Problem is, where do you go? Do you move in with creepy uncle Google next door? No, he’s even worse.
And your banking app only works on iOS and Android…
…I’m seeing people say “just don’t use an iPhone.” It’s not that simple when everyday things like financial apps with two-factor authentication are locked into the two main platforms.
We need legislation to ensure critical services use open standards so you can use your Pinephone to buy lunch in the future.
It’s shocking how easily some folks jump to “just go live in a cave.” No, that’s not an acceptable alternative. We deserve to partake in modern life without sacrificing our human rights…
…It’s also victim blaming to tell everyday people they’re at fault for using one of the two main tech platforms instead of an (as of yet inaccessible) alternative. (I have two Pinephones and my room overflows open hardware. No, I don’t blame you for using an iPhone or an Android device. You’re the victim here.)
Blame the actual culprits: clueless legislators/policymakers who allow these monopolies to continue and fail to protect our human rights. Blame Big Tech and those who enable it…
…This isn’t about whether Apple backs down on this or not (although that’s important too in the here and now and you should sign this letter to put pressure on them.)
https://appleprivacyletter.com/
This is a greater struggle to protect personhood in the digital network age. Today, we extend ourselves with technology. Not owning and controlling these aspects of ourselves is a violation of our personhood.
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@aral
To put it blunt:
Talk is cheap. The only thing that really matters, are your actions.
If you buy another iNarc device after this, your actions show that you don't care about this *enough* to stop buying their stuff. In a capitalist society, where you spend your money is what actually counts.
Most people don't know better or have shown with their actions to not care enough for quite a while (#PrivacyParadox).
For you, I see someone making excuses for themselves to keep buying iNarcs.
@FreePietje In which case you need better glasses.
@FreePietje And you’re deluded if you think that voting with your wallet will be enough to tackle this issue without constitutional/legislative change.
But sure, man, I’m the real problem here.
@aral
I've never said that voting with your wallet is enough. For Apple, the only thing that counts is exactly how you vote with your wallet.
I've also never said that you're the real problem. Because that's our current society where convenience Trumps everything and (most) people show to not actually care about privacy.
I can't and won't blame you for things wrong in society*, but I can hold you account for your own actions.
*) I'm actually grateful that you usually highlight them clearly
@aral
I've (mostly) stopped complaining about 'average Joe/Jane' not caring about privacy. They either don't care or don't have the technical knowhow to really do anything about it, so I can't blame them.
But when MEP, who can and should know better (that's also their job), vote en masse for mass surveillance, then I do post about that. And even vote in our national election.
Because that is a/the real problem.
@FreePietje @aral keep pushing away other people this will surely help Linux
@FreePietje
Anyone who doesn't use an Apple device, or an Android device, or another device where they haven't read the source code for the firmware, or any closed-source software from MS, Apple, Adobe, Oracle, or hardware, clothing or food whose production involves inhumane conditions, doesn't profit directly or indirectly from colonial crimes, or produce CO2 ...
... is not a human.
I'd encourage anyone to avoid these things but you can't blame individuals for society-level problems.
@aral
Wouldn't making accounts that tied children to their parents work? Adults would instead be the spy but it would mean no interference would be needed from Apple's part unless something was reported. The responsibility would be with the individual user(s) rather than an unaccountable corporation.
@aral Maybe I'm too pessimistic, but an open letter starting like "Dear Apple, …" comes with the bitter taste of a sad joke these days. 
Shouldn't we ask legislators to do something against that, or people not to use it?
Some part of me just rejects begging big tech to at least keep their most basic shit together. It might be better then nothing – but trying to not be affected by this unicorn shit remains my priority (and enabling others to do the same).
I'm not a "Security & Privacy Expert, Cryptographer, Researcher, Professor, Legal Expert [or] Apple Consumer" so I can't sign the letter. If I meet one I will tell them about it though.
Maybe /e/OS could be an alternative for some people. It's Lineage OS plus microG.
https://e.foundation/
> /e/ OS could be more normie friendly
I don't think a normie would use /e/ OS or Lineage OS...
(are you promoting such kind of softwares to normies?)
It is /e/ OS still in beta? The version is 0.17 now...
@aral
???
I have a lineage phone already...and I will only buy a phone that can runing lineageOS... Maybe can give /e/ OS a try...
@aral
Yes. If _I_ can't use a pinephone as a daily driver yet, how on earth are we expected to ask others to?
I'd very much like it if the folks developing for pinephone would treat it like a phone, not "here is a tiny computer! oh it has some phone parts. But you can hook a keyboard to it! Also that's how you get a pipe character, we didn't put that on the keyboard program. Which also doesn't do control or alt, so, um, yeah we don't really know what a terminal is used for but we've seen pictures! Also to take screenshots copy/paste this 150 character command."
And by "phone" I mean "shut the fuck up with your I'm not entitled to anything because I haven't contributed bullshit, that's why the iphone and android have 100% of the market and my pinephone can't answer fscking calls when someone calls me, WHICH IS A PRIMARY FUNCTION OF A FREAKING PHONE."
But I think you put it more succinctly than I do, and people who complain about your delivery ain't heard me when I'm grumpy.
@Truck Haha :) Don’t get me wrong, I’m very happy that Pinephone and other alternatives exist – regardless of their current state. At the very least it gives us escape hatches and foundations to build upon and refine.
@aral Yes, I absolutely need to spend more time with mine. Possibly fixing a bug even.
But that doesn't mean it's a viable alternative. It means it _isn't yet._ And it won't if people don't stop with the "you have no right to complain" elitist bullshit. That will just accelerate the issues as people flee to something which is actually usable, and they'll allow their rights to be taken away due to convenience, as they're already on the ONLY options.
@Truck @aral
I get that your toot is a rant, but it's a bit exaggerated, don't you think? Or didn't you update your #Pinephone in the past year? I've had issues with mine but not half as bad.
I use #Mobian #Phosh and my keyboard does have Ctrl, Alt, Tab, arrows, F keys and yes, even the | pipe character.
It's been my main phone for more than two months (I'm replying on it right now). I'll admit it's a struggle, and I keep the Android phone near me most of the time.
Nope, not a rant. Mobian is the WORST of the bunch. I _specifically_ am speaking of it's horrible terminal, which is not usable without an external keyboard. Try to type a pipe. Maybe they finally fixed it, but for 6 months (before I got swamped with work) it was not possible to type. I'm not going to use that crap. I moved on.
Just read the patch notes for what doesn't work. It's so far away from being a phone that it's not even funny.
You're REPLYING on it.
It's being marketed as a PHONE. A device for people to use AS A PHONE. That means things like CALLS. SMS's.
Stop treating it like a computer. Try to use it as a PHONE.
That's my point, despite my mentioning the horrible terminal program.
(and by moved on, I mean I moved away from Phosh and went to Manjaro. It's terminal has control keys that don't work as well.)
BTW, previous phone was Jolla. Sailfish is available, and that works significanly better; but has it's own set of issues. (Mainly that I can't contribute to it.) But at least it's phone first.
@normandc So, you haven't needed to take a screenshot yet?
(p.s. I don't believe you. You're using it as a computer, as you said, you're using Phosh.)
Please - let's stopp kidding ourselves - you're happy with your tiny computer, and I'm not. No need to elaborate further, or try to convince me you're doing something you aren't.
I want there to be an alternative for people - not you or I - but the general public - that is not Apple or Google. Phosh is NOT IT. It's not on track to be, and that's my issue with the entire Pinephone development that I see - too much computer, not enough phone.
You might want to look at the first words I wrote:
"Yes. If _I_ can't use a pinephone as a daily driver yet, how on earth are we expected to ask others to?"
Let's leave this here: you're "happy," I'm dissapointed and will continue to push for there to be something for EVERYONE. For reasons Aral outlines in further threads here.
@aral Super well said. I totally agree that big tech and lawmakers are to blame for allowing these corporation to have the environment they now have.
@aral
How did we get those legislators and policy makers? Blaming someone else than us is also an easy escape route. We have to take responsibility to build alternatives and also change our legislators if required. Just putting blame on someone else is not sufficient. I know it is an easy thing to do. When you want to just look at your own job, we can't fix it. Yes, just doing your job is fine if we have a functioning system, but that is not sufficient when the system itself is broken.
@aral
I'm just saying politics should also be considered our responsibility, whether we succeed in that or not, if we consider politics is broken. If we consider the real solution is political, then we can't just say we are not politicians and it is someone else's responsibility. We need to build, educate _and_ participate in politics.
@aral Pinephones? That's interesting, where can I learn more about it?
@aral I blame those who elect clueless or corrupted legislators.