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Westerners: “haha, we pulled one over on Erdoğan. Don’t worry, the Kurds are safe…”

Erdoğan: “these signatures don't mean the issue is done... Without our parliament's approval, this does not go into effect … The ball is in their court now.”

“Asked about the extradition of suspects, Erdogan said if the Nordic countries did not send these individuals ‘then we will do what is necessary through our institutions and units.’”

inkl.com/a/jXnQNxFvWgv

inklErdogan raises possibly nixing NATO-Nordics deal if promises not kept -mediaAn accord signed with Finland and Sweden to lift Turkey's veto on their NATO membership bids is not the end…

@aral I was hoping that an economic bailout might have been the sweetening.

Very sorry to read this.

@aral I'd rather the solution was evicting Turkey until they quit murdering their neighbors, too, but that's too much to ask, I see.

@mdhughes Oh, we’re all about democratic ideals and human rights… unless it inconveniences us in any way, that is.

@aral I never understood how Erdogan’s objections weren’t dismissed for the hypocritical bullshit that they are in the first place.

@ClaudetteK I believe the answer lies in our own hypocrisies. We talk a good talk on democracy and human rights…

@aral I guess that’s fair. To be honest, a lot of these well-intended institutions lose credibility by allowing themselves to be strongarmed from the get-go.

@aral Yeah, it's quite embarrassing to say the least :(

@aral just read a Guardian article on this. I'm really disappointed in 🇫🇮and 🇸🇪. They could have let the US and the rest of NATO put pressure on 🇹🇷 to unblock their joining, as they would be a huge boon to the alliance. Instead they drop their morals and historic support for a subjugated people, pledging not to support the Kurds anymore, and planning an extradition agreement so the kurdish are no longer safe in 🇸🇪 and 🇫🇮...really really disappointing.

@Isaac123
The only thing that is new is dropping direct support for YPG, extraditions still needs proof that a court will accept, etc.
@aral

@Isaac123 @aral
I'll add to that, my personal prediction is that Turkey will tear the agreement up after they realize that they still can't just send a shopping list of politically inconvenient Kurds and then just have them delivered, but that it has to pass through the legal system.

@aral

And again how the situation is communicated in 🇫🇮:
- "As Justice Minister, matters related to extradition fall under Henriksson's remit and she said that no political considerations can be allowed to play a part in the decision-making process, echoing comments made by President Sauli Niinistö on the same subject.
'If there are now new requests for extraditions, they will be handled in the same way as before. We comply with the Council of Europe's Convention on Extradition'" [1]
- He [President Niinistö] also declined to comment on the aggressive stance adopted by Erdoğan. “Let’s just say that our fundamental starting point is that we’re prepared for all sorts of things. Just like we saw in the spring.” [2]

As expected, both parties are telling their own story regarding the paper. No need to go full doom mode, but still need to stay vigilant. Lots of political cliffhangers and rhetoric still on the way. But in the end important thing is what happens in real life.

Giving in to turkey's demands after their stunt would be pretty much a political suicide here. So I would be surprised if there were some significant changes to procedures coming. If erdogan would have placed his demands before the public application, things could be much worse as they would have been handled behind the scenes.

[1] https://yle.fi/news/3-12516782
[2] https://www.helsinkitimes.fi/finland/finland-news/domestic/21817-niinistoe-memorandum-with-turkey-was-about-invitation-not-ratification.html
[-] https://yle.fi/news/3-12519144
NewsFinland will abide by same international agreements on extradition, Justice Minister saysTurkey, Sweden and Finland signed a trilateral memorandum this week, the terms of which have been the subject of much debate in each country.

@aral

Yeah I don't think the average person realizes the kind of scum that we regularly make deals with:

Erdogan, dictator
Xi Jinping, dictator, running genocidal reeducation camp
Saudis - woman hating monarchists, who we only deal with because they happen to be sitting on a giant pile of oil
Modi, dictator, theocrat, just banned VPNs across India