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Folks: Why don’t you use Debian.

Also folks: Why not xfce?

Me: Trying Debian out for the first time in a VM with xfce… *enters password as instructed*… *presses tab*… Oh! Oh…

(There are few absolutes in design but I’m going to go out on a limb here and say that this is the absolute worst way you can design a simple sign-in form.)

@aral linux is all about customization, you can do whatever you like, don't like the look of lightdm? Just change to a different DM or Customize yourself

Aral Balkan

@aerphanas Customisability is not an excuse for shoddy design.

You don’t build a house with a leaky roof and then tell people you can change it if you like.

This is the mentality that led to people not using Linux for many years. Thankfully, it’s being abandoned in some circles at least (e.g., see GNOME).

Make beautiful defaults and customisability will truly become an advantage instead of a cop out.

@aral The GNU/Linux distribution uses the UNIX philosophy, a bunch of software that work together, the Linux kernel only cares about the hardware and provides the API, it's hard to do things like MacOS or Windows.

If you don't like the look of lightdm you can contribute either a donation, a line of code, fork it like neovim and vim or you can look for alternatives like GDM, SSDM or SLiM, I think new GNU/Linux users will definitely suit GNOME or KDE Plasma.

@aral >This is the mentality that led to people not using Linux for many years.
You seem to be confusing software that have nothing to do with the kernel, Linux, with Linux for some reason.
If I remember correctly, Xfce4 is available on at least another OS that doesn't have Linux as the kernel.

I didn't have had any issues at all the one time I used Debian with xfce4, looks like a skill issue.

Display managers are complete bloat anyway, they're better replaced with this line in ~/.bash_profile: if [[ -z $DISPLAY ]] && [[ $(tty) = /dev/tty1 ]]; then exec startx; fi

In getty, the login program will be called, which will ask for your username and password and then the xorg launcher will be called (quite trivial to modify for wayland of course).

>Thankfully, it’s being abandoned in some circles at least (e.g., see GNOME).
I wouldn't be "thankful" for gnome.

>Make beautiful defaults
If you want beauty, I would recommend GNU/Hurd - it has quite nice defaults.