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So with @matrix and @element explicitly supporting cops and fascist governments what does that mean for their and our anarcho future?

@liaizon @element whatever you do, don’t look at where the Internet or Tor came from… 🤫

@matrix @liaizon @element Err.. what? So like.. what's your attitude going to be when you get served with secret orders to create backdoors in Matrix? Or has that already happened, thus the apparently-already-established alignment with that side of the fence?

@amatecha @matrix @liaizon element.io/blog/the-online-saf gives an idea of our position. And no, there are no backdoors. Yes, we fund Matrix dev by selling encrypted messaging to governments, which includes police: if you don’t like that then please feel free to use a different app.

Element BlogThe Online Safety Bill: An attack on encryptionThe Online Safety Bill has some genuinely good intentions, but the proposed legislation is remarkably poor.

@aral Relevant part from their blog post element.io/blog/the-online-saf was:

"... those monoliths at least have the resources to contest decisions. As a smaller UK-headquartered secure communication startup, that’s not a luxury Element has."

Good luck to small companies. 😓

Element BlogThe Online Safety Bill: An attack on encryptionThe Online Safety Bill has some genuinely good intentions, but the proposed legislation is remarkably poor.

@elliot @element @amatecha Although, of course, IRC is not encrypted so a very different use case.

@element

If you can trust the police, who can you trust?
- Exploited.

@aral @element @amatecha @matrix @liaizon Poor choice of words. Element is selling their services to governments, including police. They're not selling your personal messages.

@aral @element @amatecha @matrix @liaizon

Do you mean you only reject/distrust Element? But not the underlying Matrix protocol? If so, what client would you recommend?

If you also reject/distrust the underlying protocol, what alternative would you propose?

I do feel there is a need for a decentralized, federated encrypted chat network.