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@toolbear And how does this make FF the bad guys or partners in crime? I mean, wouldn't it be even worse if they weren't around?

Sounds to me like the bad guys are google, politicians and regulators in that example.

@aral @davidrevoy

@laukanhenkka What would you think if Greenpeace only existed because they took half a billion dollars from ExxonMobil every year?

If you’d be OK with that too, I have nothing more I can say.

@toolbear @davidrevoy

@aral @laukanhenkka @toolbear @davidrevoy If Adolf Hitler offers you a billion dollars, do you take it?

Of course you do. Because then Adolf Hitler is a billion dollars poorer, and that's good for everyone.
@aral @laukanhenkka @toolbear @davidrevoy do you want Hitler to lose a billion dollars or not? I assume that you have no qualms about someone breaking into Hitler's vault, or hacking his bank account, and taking a billion dollars.
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@immibis @laukanhenkka @toolbear @davidrevoy Stealing from is not the same as being paid by. You can see that, right?

(If the folks at Mozilla were stealing Google’s money, I’d be fine with it. Google and the police, probably not so much.)

@aral @laukanhenkka @toolbear @davidrevoy in both cases the bad guy has less money and a better guy has more.

However, getting paid usually comes with some strings attached, and that's where the problem is.

Still, if Hitler would give me a billion dollars in exchange for writing "Jews must die" in giant letters on my fence, I think that would be a good tradeoff. That's basically what Mozilla has to do for Google: metaphorically write "Use Google to search" on the front of its building. Hitler being poorer does much more good for the world than a sign does bad. I might be obligated to donate the whole billion to an anti-Nazi charity.

@immibis @laukanhenkka @toolbear @davidrevoy Wow, man, I’m sorry but no. Just no. If that’s a trade you’re willing to make, we have nothing in common. And I’m blocking you now.

@immibis There’s an article out in the wild called “the power of defaults” which I suggest you read. Google and DDG both bribe browser makers to make their search service the default & Google obviously has deeper pockets for that. @davidrevoy @aral @laukanhenkka @toolbear

@digitalRightsNinja @davidrevoy @aral @laukanhenkka @toolbear and I'd rather have Firefox with a default Google search engine, than no Firefox.