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GIMP is currently being ported over to GTK 3, which would probably also allow it to work natively on Wayland.
The release schedule for GIMP 3.0 is set to May of next year, but it's going to be tough. So, if there's anything you can do, please do consider helping out.
@ProfessorCode Keeping that name says so much about how inclusive the GNU folks are. And none of it is positive.
Is this really the hill you folks want to die on?
Freedom isn’t just about code and licenses. It’s about who we choose to include and who we choose to exclude.
Especially when it’s little gestures we could easily carry out to show folks that we care about including them.
(Assuming the git repository also still uses a master branch… *checks* Yep.)
*smh*
@aral @ProfessorCode Respectfully, changing a popular project's name is an extremely hard and arduous endeavor.
I'm not saying I don't think it's called for (I do), but I also don't think we should be presenting it as as a little gesture that could be easily carried out.
The git branch on the other hand...
@imsnif @ProfessorCode With all due respect, how much harder is it than any of the myriad of technical challenges in creating a freaking image editor?
Some folks in free software will literally reverse engineer bytecode before having to alter their behaviour to become more inclusive and it sucks.
@aral @ProfessorCode First - I am not here to fight.
Second - branding work is hard. Marketing work is hard. We sometimes tend to look down on them as technical people, belittling them in comparison to reverse engineering bytecode and other heavily technical tasks. I don't think that's either beneficial or fair.
I am on your side here - but since inclusivity is also important to me, I implore you not to hand-wave this sort of work and thus its practitioners away.
@imsnif @ProfessorCode Not hand waving anything. I spend 100% of my time writing free software. Nothing about writing free software excuses a culture of non-inclusivity.
@aral @ProfessorCode I spend 100% of my time writing free software as well, and I totally agree with you.
My team also includes people who spend many hours on branding, marketing and community management for said software. They do it for free, out of passion for the art - just like you and me.
They are rightfully offended and feel excluded when their work is belittled. I know this was not your meaning or your intention, but please take a moment to consider this.
@imsnif @ProfessorCode So if the folks who spend many hours on branding end up coming up with something that makes other people feel unsafe or unwanted then they should be criticised. And instead of feeling defensive, they should look into why that happened, how it can be rectified, and how they can ensure it doesn’t happen again. (Which will likely involve a review of the organisational culture/structure.) Because it’s not about them. They’re not the victims here.
@aral @ProfessorCode Agreed. Can we also agree that their work shouldn't be trivialized?
@imsnif @ProfessorCode No one is trivialising their work. This is what I mean about defensiveness.
@aral @ProfessorCode I'm not sure what you mean by "defensiveness" in this context, but respectfully, you called this "a little gesture we could easily carry out". IMO that's trivializing, but I'm open to being corrected here. Maybe I totally misread you and owe you an apology.
@imsnif @ProfessorCode You don’t owe me an apology. It’s up to each organisation to decide how big or small such a gesture is. If an organisation decides it’s too big and not worth the effort, then that says a lot. I’ve rebranded organisations and designed marketing campaigns and I write code. For me, regardless of the amount of work involved, it’s a little gesture. We don’t shy away from hard work in any other part of what we do so why should we here?
@aral @ProfessorCode
I also had to rebrand organizations and products. Like you, I know how hard it is.
When we call this work "easy" or "a little gesture", we trivialize it. Not only for the people in the relevant organization (GIMP in this case) but to *all other people* doing such work in other organizations. We send them a message that their work is not as hard or impactful. We exclude them.
I agree with your sentiment here. Just not with your wording. And I think it matters a great deal.
It is definitely true that white dudes do need their egos constantly fluffed or they will absolutely grab whatever balls are at hand and go home with them.
It does matter a great deal... to said bros.
Expecting the whole world to go along with it is peak privilege, my fellow whitey.
against my better judgement I'm going to wade into this with a possible redirect:
that instead of casting "easy" and "a little gesture" as trivializing the work to achieve a re-branding, we instead consider it against the great amount of work needed to make society more inclusive overall?