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Usually they are owned by arrogant f....s who no matter what you say, they will return with a cliche that they couldn't care less about open source or freedom, they can afford to have the best and their advisors tell them that is the best, and so they buy it. Any of their time wasted in anything less than the best costs them more than what the machine costs.

So rationalizing anything with them is a waste of time, and their wasted money couldn't really hurt our feelings.

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@yianiris I’d disagree. They’re owned by folks who don’t have the time to tinker with their everyday technology. And folks who want their phone and computer and watch and house and whatnot to just talk to one another. It’s everyday tech that empowers everyday people to do things. The problem is that it’s proprietary and closed source and by a trillion-dollar corporation. The free/open, small tech version of what they have is what we should be aiming for.