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Web 1.0: We gather data when you visit our web site
Web 2.0: We gather data when you visit every web site
Web 3.0: We buy your government and get the data straight from your treasury
@aral Web 3.0 : we hack your data and lock your accounts and you have no power to stop us.
in calmness Web 4.0: "Stay in that fucking pod and allow that dripfeed up your ass, Neo."
@smallcircles @aral aral just blocked me because i said web 3.0 is the semantic web of Tim Berners-Lee and should not be confused with web3 of the cryptobros.
he really needs to calm down...
@nextgraph yes, my own strategy in these dark times is to do a minimal of awareness / wake up calling now and then, here and there boost of a doomscroll-related toot if relevant, and then seek out positivity and optimism, uplifting toots to boost, or create myself. That will lead to a more effective and productive commons, and stronger fist to dark forces.
@nextgraph @smallcircles @aral That really bums me out EVERY time... But I am getting tired of explaining the difference in these kinds of heated discussions / rants.
@aral Web0!!!!!
Never give a government anything you wouldn't hand to the worst possible person running it, whoever that is in your view.
@gvs “The NSA didn't wake up and say, ‘Let's just spy on everybody.’ They looked up and said, ‘Wow, corporations are spying on everybody. Let's get ourselves a copy.’”
—Bruce Schneier
@gvs (And yes, I agree with you that neoliberalism built the groundwork for fascism. The lie we were told was that capitalism was a prerequisite for democracy when capitalism is cancer for democracy.)
But to the point, it is the rise of technology and the growth of governemt that created the problem. If we have technology, it needs to be kept away from the most dangerous part of society.
@gvs apparently, you missed the part about your social security and passports being issued by the government? Not paying taxes is illegal. If you are trying to create future policies, you should edit your first comment to reflect that.
To be clear, this is not legal. It is a coup and cyberattack on the US government
But governments share your data with private parties all the time, you didn't seem to mind that before that party was Musk and that is the mistake. Their shouldn't be anything on a passport that should not leak.
@gvs “You don't need social security numbers.” That is your opinion, it is not a fact. All countries have a way to identify citizens.
“But governments share your data with private parties all the time, you didn't seem to mind that before that party was Musk and that is the mistake.” Nope, they do not do it like this and certainly not all of it. Also, this is a bad faith argument, as this is not a legal means of sharing information that is supposed to be kept private and secure.
A national number, yes. Probably in the US they are not separate things. Yet I fail to how those should be a secret.
The second is just insane. You are telling me that before Musk, which has a task assigned by your government, no private company was involved in processing, storing or anything else with private data of citizens?
But again, not arguing for this, stating that government shouldn't have had most data in the first place.
@aral
@gvs social security and passport numbers serve different functions. If you do not know why they need to be kept secret, please post yours here. This is clearly another bad faith argument.
Some gov systems & databases may be built by contractors, but it’s gov property. You are arguing for less security than the US gov. The US gov has been secure for far longer than any other company in existence.
I don’t have time to argue bad arguments. Run for office if you think you can do better
Secondly, how is any other government contractor different from this? Again, arguing not for Musk and his team but against putting lots of data in the hands of a dangerous entity (government) is a bad idea.
I refuse to vote, so I'm not running for government either.
@gvs ok, at least you have a reason for not understanding. Social security is required to work in the US. A small fee is paid per paycheck to the social security fund that the person can draw in retirement. The passport number is to identify US citizens when they are abroad. Both are linked to your identify. Identify fraud can occur if other people have these numbers. In my opinion, it is better to have separate numbers than one, prevents all areas from being hacked with a single number
We also have passport numbers, but they aren't a form of identification, their unique to the document and not a secret.
Again, governments should not have massive amounts of data on people and then this wouldn't be the big deal it is now.
@gvs identity fraud is rampant in the US and it is a major problem. Credit cards and other lines of credit can be opened in your name and even if you get them resolved, your credit score can be impacted for a long time.
How does Belgium handle identity and financial fraud if these identifiers are not secret?
@gvs people can make counterfeit ID cards. A lot of this is online and they don’t ask for the actual card for everything. Someone can hack into your current financial information. It’s not just credit cards, identity fraud can be someone else getting your tax refund or applying for unemployment in your name. They could even apply for an apartment or buy a car in your name. It’s a serious, wide-scale problem in the US. That you don’t understand this does not make it any less of one.
⁂ @aral Web 5.0: taking back control!