With the transition to a cashless society, millimeter wave body scanners, stop and search, WiFi and Bluetooth scanning by default, and G4S everywhere, the construction of the Dutch surveillance state seems to be on schedule for completion in time for the swearing in of prime minister Wilders in about ten year’s time.
@aral ugh. My only hope is that some countries will not be able to pay for surveillance engineers because IT knowledge is ridiculously overpriced. Once in place, surveillance is really hard to demolish.
„Yeah, yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should.“ biting us in the ass again.
We’d have to kill it before it lays eggs, which is probably too late.
@aral I can understand the CCTV, but the WiFi and BT tracking is just ridiculous. And violating privacy is just the opposite of ensuring privacy.
(btw, our current prime minister also doesn't give a shit about privacy. Wilders is racist, but at least he does care (a little) about privacy. Anyway, I don't want any of them as PM.)
@ckeen @eliasg @aral @rik we are starting to put this in at remote industrial sites in addition to IP cameras to augment security and safety systems. It alerts SCADA operators of the presence of people (authorized and otherwise) at potentially hazardous locations so they can take appropriate action more quickly.
The technology has some compelling beneficial uses...and frightening potential for abuse at type same time.
@Deiru @bob @rik Wow, they do? I had no idea. How does that work? So, just so we’re clear, what you’re saying is the way we try and protect ourselves from surveillance is to switch off our devices and disconnect instead of complaining or trying to change the system? Do you have a manifesto or something somewhere that outlines this daring new vision? I’m champing at the bit to learn more about it.
@Deiru @bob @rik It just riles me up when I hear people utter some variant of “if you don’t like it, don’t use it” which is akin to the beloved fascist statement “love it or leave it”. No, we will and we do criticise, we will and we do resist and oppose, and we will and we do build alternatives and throughout all this, we will and we do keep using digital/networked technology and infrastructures instead of disconnecting & keeping quiet.
@aral here's one at our trainstations https://me.frankmeeuwsen.xyz/media/qYtpi6-RBOfxIJ8y_Dw
Although following the privacy link on the sign I then had to download a 29 page document on which the wifi/bluetooth and tracking is only described in detail on page 10.
Main reason given is simply "the legitimate ", around which are claims its being done to track flows of people and travel methods for planning, data is anonymised and also how long it is kept for (standard EU requirements)
All of this is only available in Dutch, not the English version of the site >>
this has also been done in London UK (with more emphasis on the use of the data for commercial purposes)
@vfrmedia @aral Last year we had a big hoopla with cameras hidden in billboards on trainstations https://www.iamexpat.nl/lifestyle/lifestyle-news/hidden-cameras-dutch-advertisement-billboards-ns-train-stations-can-see-you
Ipswich isn't yet affluent enough for them, we have a few JCDecaux electronic boards outside shops and in the main bit of town, I don't know 100% if these have cameras (I thnk the one outside Asda might have them)
@vfrmedia @frank @aral Which reminds me... if you turn off WiFi on your phone, but (on Android at least) you have location set to "accurate", your phone will still use wifi and bt every now and again to determine your location. Wonder if you're leaking MACs then too. I am using a geofencing app to turn off WiFi when I leave my house or work, but that might not be enough.
@aral There's a village near the German border that isn't and won't soon be connected to the Dutch optical fiber network. The villagers requested a connection to the German network, but this was forbidden by the Dutch government. The Dutch govt probably can't intercept data on a foreign network so easily...
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