@vanecx @aral eu greens i might understand, but pirates? wow.

@trwnh @vanecx @aral yeah, what were their reasons for that?

What did they say? It's too elaborate? or what?

@vanecx Yeah, right? Similarly in shock.

@vanecx @aral Don't you remeber some other belgian crews... we where "allowed" to criticise the GAFAM, but there was no willing, neither support to use anything else but Gmail, Facebook, Dropbox and other shits like that.

At the end, I felt censored in my willign to suggest alternatives like the current Mastodon or even the Wiki.

And I've the feeling that it divided us.

We can talk, but not changing.

You can use somthing else than GAFAM but we will still using them.

@tierce

Yes, I remember that! But even they wouldn't tell us to not criticize Facebook, even if they use it everyday and it's hypocrisy. So I'm not here trying to defend pirates above all, but it just sounds so absurd to me that maybe there is a missing piece in the puzzle that might give it another light.

@aral

@FPinaMartins @aral

Julia Reda is no longer a member of the European Parliament.
But perhaps @patrickbreyer@pirati.cc can help?

@torgo Thanks, Dan.

@aral (I haven't seen the slides)

@harald Thanks. Good to know I’m not the only one that thinks so.

@aral If you wanna talk with someone you can call me on Signal, I think you have my number

@Gargron Hey Eugen, thanks, man. I’m going to go in there and give the talk I’m going to give tomorrow. I hope I will do Mastodon proud and I hope that I will show them how centralised differs from federated differs from peer-to-peer and how Facebook, etc., are scum of the earth and do not deserve a place at the table (they have one tomorrow, of course).

@aral @Gargron

Give 'em Hell Aral!

@thegibson @aral @Gargron

Practical, scary example, can do the trick, but only if you have time to do it properly... :/

@aral @Gargron lol fuck facebook. roast 'em

@anna @Gargron Oh I will. I don’t think they understand who I am :)

@aral @anna @Gargron How did it go? (and btw, it's unbelievable that Greens and Pirates would ask you to censor so as to *not criticise Facebook*. WTAF indeed)

@aral @Gargron

may angels sing thee, or valkyries if that's what's needed 😈

(srsly tho, I'm behind you too)

@aral nuke 'em.

@Gargron

@aral @Gargron My only suggestion would be to not call Facebook or any people in similar tech organisations "the scum of the earth", but rather use terms like disingenuous, hypocritical, or insincere. The inflated emotions might not mean people take you as serious and dismiss your statement as hyperbole.

I agree @matt but never fear, @aral uses his words like scalpals when he's giving the actual talks. See:
https://www.ind.ie/videos/

@Gargron

@aral @Gargron I so wish I could attend :D

@aral @Gargron

But Aral, you use Facebook yourself? Am I right?

I don't understand. 😮 ☹️

@Federkiel @aral @Gargron plot twist

@Federkiel @Gargron I don’t, so you’re wrong. But beyond that, also stop victim blaming people who do use it or are forced to use it and other mainstream technologies because their communities etc. use them or it’s their only means of attempting to engage in modern life or even to protest the platforms themselves. Instead blame the people who invest in and build exploitative tools.

@aral @Gargron

Thank you for information. Yesterday I was on a website, I meant it was yours with a facebook button. So I was wrong, excuse me.

Being active part of "mainstream technologies" and on the same time protest against it - I (actually) have another opinion about that than you. Me too, I don't use them to show others: I survive without, we do not depend on them, we just believe that

BTW: I blame people who build these tools day by day, there is no reason to blame me for that. 🙂

@NeoTheThird @Gargron I guess. “Just talk about what Mastodon is technically” – yeah, how do I talk about what Mastodon is without talking about Mastodon *is not?*

@aral @Gargron Mastodon exists to fix a problem. Not mentioning that problem would make the whole thing pointless. Good for you for sticking to your guns!

@petre @Gargron They’re the ones that set up this panel.

@aral @Gargron The Facebook-friendly Pirate MEP I am talking about is called Mikuláš Peksa (@vonpecka on Twitter), and he is Chairperson of the European Pirates.

@chpietsch In his public answer to Aral, he says he is critical of FB (https://twitter.com/vonpecka/status/1196705624953905152). The conundrum is well known: if we only communicate on decentralized platforms, we can only reach people who are already convinced. Criticizing the GAFAM on FB may be bad for my karma, but as of now, many people I want to convince can only be reached there.

@chpietsch @Gargron Y’know what, I don’t even know where they’re from. Eugen asked me to do this and I said yes. I would not have expected such a thing from the pirates. But having spent an evening with an ex-pirate MP tonight and heard stories, I’m not surprised.

@aral @Gargron I understand your disappointment. But please do not throw all Pirates in one bin. Patrick Breyer, the German Pirate MEP, is a different story. He attended most of #fnf19.

@chpietsch @aral @Gargron In CZ fb seems to be everywhere. It is not like eg here in germany. And as a german pirate i can say that we do care about decentralisation, and so does Patrick. He maintained his gnusocial-account for years now, and the reason why his birdsite-account is named "echopbreyer" is that it started as a bot mirroring his gnusocial posts.

@yojimbo @Gargron Indeed. And nor will I (play their games). As I told them: I’m independent. I’ll say what I damn well think. And if they want to, they can oppose me. If that’s the hill they want to die on.

@TheGibson @aral @Gargron

to make sure everybody knows what it is, we should call it the New Radical Internet Party. I think it'll go well