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Somebody reported me to myself, y’all. How’s your day going? :)

Hint: if you don’t like my comparing Israel to Russia, go tell Israel to stop acting like Russia.

(And find out how the fediverse works before you go making an arse of yourself trying to censor me on my own personal instance.)

(Ironically it’s from “A Mastodon server friendly towards anti-fascists.” I guess I must be the wrong kind of anti-fascist.)

🤷‍♂️

@aral wait wait, so reports are cross-server? If I report something from another instance, it goes to the admin of the other instance, not of my own?

I guess that makes sense; just hadn't thought of it before!

@badrihippo Not sure if it goes to the instance the person is on too (I guess they could ask for my instance to be instance blocked on their server or something). Since I don’t moderate anyone (or want to; that’s why I have an instance of one and why I’m working on the small web – I don’t want to be a mini Mark Zuckerberg, no matter how small) I don’t know the specifics, sorry.

@aral no worries, I still know a lot more than I did half an hour ago 😉

@aral @badrihippo Not sure what the current procedure is, but it goes to the reporter's instance, and the the source of the reported content. I know on PeerTube it *used* to be a matter of you could report it to just your instance, or both. I *prefer* to have it go to both, as it allows for better handling of it. For example, if something is promoting the fascist occupation of a national capital, and it gets removed from the source instance... On PeerTube it's *gone*.

@JigmeDatse @aral oh whoops! Well, I'll keep that in mind if I ever need to report something I guess 😅

@badrihippo @aral I didn't run Mastodon long enough to really get much of an idea of how things really work. It unfortunately wasn't "worth it" as there was a fair amount of, "you can't do that any other way," which felt terrible for us.

@JigmeDatse @aral oh no, that doesn't sound good! In the moderation system you mean, or in general admin stuff too? 😕

@badrihippo @aral I was talking about how there are issues that make it difficult to run, without running certain processes more or less manually, and those processes only have one way to initiate them. At least when I was doing it. I was not getting logs, nor was I able to clean up when things had gone to the, "we have used up way too much space". Things *may* have improved, but I suspect not.

@JigmeDatse @aral ohh so a more generic problem of, perhaps, designing just for a specific use-case/environment and not paying enough attention to the alternatives some people might need?

I see that (on a much smaller scale of course) in my programming work: I usually tend to think more broad-scale and generic but many other pieces of code I've seen are with the attitude of "if it works for us now, it's good enough" 😣

@badrihippo @aral It's an option on the report that you can tick if you want it to go to the originating instance in addition to your own moderators.

@aral Interesting way of putting it.
Are you the only moderator in that instance? in such a case minimum should be to leave the decision to someone else. If you decide for yourself about the moderation of yourself then I believe its pretty much an autocratic situation.
my 2cts
#censorship #moderation #fediverse #embarrassing

@natacha Wanna come moderate my blog too? :)

My instance is my own personal space. “You moderating yourself” is called personhood.

No one is forced to listen to me. If someone doesn’t like what I’m saying they can block my account or the instance.

@natacha PS. I’m the only person on my instance. It’s an instance of one.

@aral nI did not know...
Interesting iits a good way not to get challenged.
I would never have though about doing that ....

@natacha It’s not about not getting challenged. You can get challenged all you like (as anyone you haven’t blocked can reply and challenge you). And, as I said, no one is forced to listen to you either as anyone can block your account or the whole instance.

But what it does is correctly model personhood, which the “servers of many” model doesn’t.

It’s the small tech/web philosophy. Communities are made up of individuals. That’s what we model.

ar.al/2020/08/07/what-is-the-s

@aral

Personal Instance is indeed a choice, mine is a collective choice, I find it more nurturing as you have to negotiate a way of sharing a space and some common grounds in discourse.
It also alleviates a lot the personality visibility.
I usually only block real problems fascists and such and people attacking, I do not block people because of what they say but because they start being a nuisance, This is a personal choice.

@natacha you can certainly still get challenged.
The great and beautiful thing about the fediverse is anyone can set up their own instance on whatever hardware they have lying around or on a cheap VPS and interact with the rest of the fediverse on an equal level.
Having your own instance does indeed protect you from being blocked from your own instance, but you're still at risk of being blocked by other instances in the same way anyone else would be.
That's OK though, as @aral says, it's the same as real life communication.

@natacha I think you haven't fully understood the concept of self-hosting ... 😁 😄 🤣

@aral

@aral "Somebody reported me to myself..." Excellent 😂 Makes me want to report admins like you.

@cedric Only I’m not an admin. It’s an instance of one. The only person I’m administrating is me. (As it should be.)

@aral @cedric

It matters not how strait the gate,
      How charged with punishments the scroll,
I am the master of my fate,
      I am the captain of my soul.

@aral wait, I didnt know russia is armed and supported by the west to torment a poor country?

@aral I *do* hope nobody will start a fascist/racist instance 😮

@maru Oh, they exist. You just block the instance. And folks share block lists. So no biggie. They can talk to themselves all they like.

@aral fortunately haven't come across any of them!

@aral Ha! I wonder what they thought would happen, or if they just didn’t understand that you actually run your own mastodon server.

@aral how dare you voice an opinion that someone doesn't like! 😄😄

@aral nothing worse than having to ban yourself... 😄😄

@aral hahaha … so glad you can’t be censored man, thanks for being so outspoken! Even when we don’t agree on things I truly appreciate your perspective.

@mrls Oh, I can be censored… just not on my own instance :) No one has to listen to me (they don’t have to follow me and they can block me or my instance… the latter two are the same thing, really). The only thing they can’t do is to remove my thoughts from a place that I own and control. Just like you can’t come into my house and take away a lampshade just because you don’t like how it looks :)

@aral @mrls well, Aral, I'd like to report to you that your lampshade is hideous. Moderate your lampshade.

As someone who is also on an instance of one I find this very amusing.

I might just go report myself to myself for fun. I hope I'm in a good mood...

(and by the way, keep being you. Plenty of us do understand and appreciate your view and what you post)
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