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Anything you say or do in Firefox may be used by Mozilla against you. You have the right to use a different browser. If you cannot find a browser that doesn’t fuck you over one way or another, one will not be provided for you because capitalism is working exactly as designed.
https://blog.mozilla.org/en/products/firefox/firefox-terms-of-use/
@aral Grrr, I just switched over to Firefox after realizing how crappy Chrome is for privacy/ads. 
@Acronymesis @aral Lots of us did, some sooner, some just recently. And now we're nearly out of options. *sigh*
@viennawriter @Acronymesis @aral I've settled on Vivaldi and supporting them with a monthly fee (and hoping, and dreaming)
@dukeitch @Acronymesis @aral Vivaldi is Chromium-based, like everything else that's not either Safari or a Firefox-fork. :/ Don't trust any of them.
@viennawriter @Acronymesis @aral I know, and I understand how you come to this conclusion, but I think that at least their intentions are true and their heart in the right place. https://vivaldi.com/de/we-respect-your-privacy/ https://vivaldi.com/de/for-a-better-web/ But, of course, nothing's for granted these days.
It really irks that they don't take donations...... :(
https://librewolf.net/docs/faq/#why-dont-you-accept-donations
@aral Another good reminder that just because something is lead by a non-profit does not mean it has inherent ethics or the interests of its consumers in mind
@wonkothesane * A not-for-profit that owns a half-a-billion dollar a year for-profit that gets its half-a-billion dollars a year from Google.
@aral @wonkothesane And whose CEO takes a huge portion for themselves.
@aral
Does that mean, if i type something into a mask on an encrypted website (https), that Mozilla can read it?
At least they’re open source so you should be able to see exactly what information is being collected if you dive into the code.
@aral
@FirewallDragons My email to you preceded my seeing this, but yeah, in the same vein of questioning…
I just discovered a Firefox fork called Floorp. It’s being developed in Japan and their privacy policy is very good. Check em out!
@aral has anyone used the #TheOnionRouter aka tor browser? @eff rates it good for privacy.
@derrydavis @aral @eff Tor is routinely a solid pic all around, but impractical as a daily driver.
Oiselarius (he/him) @aral deleted the app and Thunderbird
@aral I’ve been noodling on privacy-oriented and non-Chromium options other than FF for a while, and feel a bit hamstrung.
Really rather avoid Brave for not wanting to support that CEO, and that doesn’t leave much.
The hope that I can also sync a browser between my iPhone app and Windows laptop seemingly just makes it totally unattainable.
Wide open to other recommendations.
@aral What's about Brave as an alternative?
@jazzonbike So did I.
Guess they have to pay the CEO’s $7m salary somehow.
@aral
@mozillaofficial @firefoxnightly care to explain?
eisbolCards Gave Vivaldi a try and so far am enjoying the UI as I can move between tabs easier than Firefox and seems a bit faster.
@aral luckily one has a choice... to switch what theyre using.
one choice might be the tor browser. which is based on ff, lets you import your bookmarks (password import is a bit problematic...) and supports the extensions without that the web would be unbareable.
Not sure how comments propagate between Lemmy and Mastodon, but I’m getting tired of the fear mongering and misinformation about all of this. Can you point to the specific parts of the new Terms that you’re afraid of? I’ve gone through it, as have many others, and these are pretty boilerplate standards any company would have. Things like AI bots are USER enabled. You have to actively turn it on to use it and DUH you’ll have to agree to that services Terms as well.
The Privacy Notice doesn’t say anything problematic at all, why is everyone acting like Mozilla is going to be feeding every keystroke into a database/AI? It’s just saying that they’re allowed use your inputs to browse to the sites you’ve asked for, and to give the form data/uploads/mic/whatever to the sites you’re using.
A few words cherry picked from the middle of a sentence isn’t how legal stuff works.
@Deebster Oh, I don’t know… I wonder why…
@aral@mastodon.ar.al @Deebster@programming.dev That still kind of doesn't address the question.
Yes, Mozilla does some AI, like the in-browser, privacy-respecting language translation. If you use the same feature in Chrome, the text is submitted to a Google server, but in Firefox it never leaves your browser. I don’t see how this could be spun to count against Firefox/Mozilla.
@Deebster Uh-huh. Yep. Sure. Let’s give them every benefit of the doubt.
Is that how religion started? Someone not understanding how something works and then living life in fear of some imagined horror scenario?
@Iapar Oh, the irony.
What do you mean?
Yes, that's how it starts.
People express their distrust of the policies pursued by business, with the latest avatar being the forced passage of AI, and some then start screaming “communism” as they run around making coalitions of nazi disciples and exorcising networks of anti-tech-wokist demons. Pfff... Whereas if these people understood how social works, they wouldn't be afraid of it.
Where does Opera stand as a privacy oriented choice?
@aral I don't quite understand the hate of Firefox, was their "update" directed at your sentiment? Mozilla is a nonprofit and they're of course not going to be perfect but they're kind of the last game in town since Google took over all the browser backends? I see a lot of "go to librewolf" but would they have enough support to maintain the browser if FF died?
@maniajack Mozilla is a not-for-profit that owns a half-a-billion dollar a year for-profit that gets its half-a-billion dollars a year from Google.
Or, as their head of public policy once told me: “Why are you being so hard on us? We’re just another Silicon Valley tech company.”
@aral@mastodon.ar.al @maniajack@mastodon.world absolutely damning statement that shows just how far they've drifted away from user needs and straight into tech fueled delusion
@aral
good time to start contributing to ladybird, either monetary or via
contributions https://donorbox.org/ladybird
@mijenix
Yeah good point!
I tried it around 5 months ago on my low spec laptop and it was little bit slow, also true that it's on early dev stages.
Anyways I will try it again on another machine.
Bro imagine caring so much about your fucking browser. Lmao
@Randomgal I bet you’re great fun at parties.
@aral That looks bad. But it won't drive me to run straight in the claws of Google's Chromium. The choices without Chromium are thin. Maybe i will give LibreWolf a spin some day.
@aral The practical solution I found in the comments was #LibreWolf. I'll have a look at that browser. Just being interested in alternative solutions.
@aral Damn, not firefox too. It was the last *mainstream* browser that didn't exploit your privacy. People who want to switch, Vivaldi, Brave and other firefox forks are still open (though you should do your research before moving)
@SilentDetective @aral there are comments on this thread that suggest problems with Brave and Vivaldi. Are Duckduckgo or Foss Browser a safe option? Libre Wolf (Firefox fork)?
@SilentDetective@social.vivaldi.net @aral@mastodon.ar.al the ship regarding Firefox exploiting privacy sailed decades ago. A few of us voiced concerns when the "corporation owning a foundation" structure was implemented but were told that we were just being paranoid etc.
What we need is a proper open browser without corporate shenanigans and those are hard to find 
@aral that’s it, I’m making my own browser from scratch. Forget the blackjack and hookers, I just want to browse the internet sometimes
Can someone clarify if there’s an option to opt-out of all these new data collection stuff? I have all the telemetry related stuff disabled, so I’m not sure if it includes these new things.
@aral Firefox, you were supposed to destroy the capitalist browsers, not become one!
@aral
Has anyone successfully run their own FF sync server? I have tried twice recently with no success.
@aral Yes, there are better optioms.
Use @torproject / #TorBrowser instead!