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If you’re on mastodon.social, I would highly recommend that you switch to a different server that protects its people instead of exposing them to a well-known bad actor like Facebook/Meta via Threads.
For alternatives, see: https://fedipact.veganism.social
And remember that Mastodon is not the fediverse. The fediverse is much more than just Mastodon and definitely more so than mastodon.social and Mastodon gGmbH.
@aral I don't really get how this is a problem.
It's just another instance in fediverse. Threads don't get any more data than other servers do. And your data is publicly available, that's why it's social media. This is more dangerous, than the service that you don't use anyway.
And even if you don't like threads, just block it.
@winet Sure. Let’s also federate with Gab and every other instance blocked for being a bad actor. In fact, let’s just remove the feature of blocking servers entirely from the Mastodon codebase.
@simon_lucy @aral It seems he blocked me or my instance. I just can't see his response anymore.
@aral @winet@mastodon.ml first, I didn't say that we should be federate with everyone. Maybe we have a different vision for a bad actor instance. For me it is servers that are made *primarily* for illegal or unacceptable behavior like, hate speech, "sharing" child porn, promoting violence, spam. Everything else is just people's opinions. Stupid, cringe, wrong everything but opinions.
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@aral @winet@mastodon.ml "You think that Russia is "rescuing" Ukrainians from Nazi's? Ok, you go straight to mute" or if you want to, you can argue with them. Try to understand other side.
Not to be unsubstantiated, I just used threads for about 30 minutes I think. Either the meta hides very well, or the social network doesn't fit my "bad actor" criteria. I saw a post about there being a spam problem, but it's like we don't have any.
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@aral @winet@mastodon.ml
And besides, all the posts from threads will just go into a dumpster called "global feed" (by the way, this should be removed. It's impossible to find anything there except endless porn, news, hate and porn).
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@aral @winet@mastodon.ml btw, why I can't see your response from my main
@winet@mstdn.social @aral @winet@mastodon.ml I think it's absolutely fair to assume Meta *will* be a bad actor, in some way. The particular way in which they'll try to be a bad actor isn't that important.
@arina @winet@mstdn.social @aral
I can't really imagine how they can harm the Fediverse.
For example, they can't get more information than you provide. For example, You closed your following information. Then your server just won't give out that data. The follower field in the reply will just disappear. And no one but you can get it back. So, they can't use fediverse information for recommendations or advertisement.
Spam? Why would they do that when they're part of that system themselves.
Spreading misinformation? If you're not following such a person, it's not going hurt you. If you are, why?
Plus it's easier to go from threads to mastodon that way. You keep your connections with your followers and who you follow, *and* you're no longer in meta's hands. I see this as a win for mastodon.
@winet@mastodon.ml @winet@mstdn.social @aral
They can't get any more information that I want to provide, true. Doesn't mean we should just give it to Meta on a silver platter.
As for ways to harm... The simplest would probably be good ole Embrace, Extend, Extinguish, where they adopt ActivityPub, then "extend" it with Threads-only features, and basically make sure that all new users (and a bunch of existing users) go from Masto/Misskey/Akkoma to Threads.
@winet@mastodon.ml @winet@mstdn.social @aral Also I think they could potentially try to influence the *culture* of Fediverse. Use their position as their big corporate entity to wrangle admins of other instances to implement Meta's policies, or be defederated from Threads.