Copyleft Conference… sponsored by Google.
Kindly go die in a fire.
ROFTL! ! ! 🤣
When I explained him that since a #Google engineer removed my name from #Harvey without removing my contribution, I'm going to carefully vet anything that comes from @conservancy, he didn't wrote me back.
Now they organize a #Copyleft conference with Google!
I really want to believe in good faith, but people... you are really challenging my suspension of disbelief!
The means are to goals what the seeds are to trees.
I'm not a #moralist, I don't give a shit about how they collect their money as long as they use them well.
It has a clear message:
Please, don't fight this battle too hard because if you win, we won't be able to fund conferences about the topic anymore!
I think too many SV techbros are "caught in the monkey trap" where they literally cannot see anything other than neoliberal capitalism, especially when GAFAM provides them with what they view as secure, stable employment
Maybe like workers elsewhere continuing to work in coal mine or making cars that cheat environment regulations to stay in work..
Sorry, @freedombone, but given who control Google, unblockable Ads are the last of my concerns: https://medium.com/@giacomo_59737/the-web-is-still-a-darpa-weapon-31e3c3b032b8
it pains me to say, but we should have listened rms when he said all those things about why the open source movement was created and how it opposes the freedom software movement.
rms can be too extreme and strange sometimes, but he had it right about this whole thing since the beginning.
@Shamar @bob @aral @conservancy
@Shamar @bob @hansbauer @conservancy @vfrmedia Sorry you had to go through that. I was blasé about the differences too (& used to see Free Software folks as zealots) until I had a proper chat with Richard and understood the history and the motivations of the different sides. Everything I’ve experienced since has simply validated the stark differences.
I don't think that #RMS is mostly right, actually. IMO, he is often VERY wrong. And on some points, he is way to moderate (yes, I mean this for real! 😉).
But he is a #hacker with an unique point of view on Free Software.
maybe i'm a bit biased when i say that he is mostly right, because many times i dismissed somethings he said as some tinfoil thing, but some 10 years later it turned clear that he was right all along.
i'm not claiming that he is a kind of messiah (i know many do), just had to give him some deserved credit.
@bob @aral @conservancy @vfrmedia
that is precisely what Redmond has done/is doing, you can see for yourselves the layoffs in richer countries and how at least a proportion of support work has ultimately been crowdsourced.
Its seems even worse than late 1980s, when the kid who learned about computers and tech *did* at least normally get a full time salaried job (rather than constantly hustling in "gig economy" like todays young people seem to be..)
in the android case, i think they will probably drop the linux kernel too in favor of their zirkon one, probably related with licenses and the inclusion of vendor binary blobs and silent updates. but this only a speculation of. mine. time will tell.
but the idea is to build an evil product over the open source community and then discard the community in the end.
@Shamar @bob @aral @conservancy @vfrmedia
i cannot speak for the whole open source community in this respect and even if i could i would not.
i had in mind something like what google did and does with android:
> mobile operating system, whole base foss
> build a full-blown control and surveillance framework over it, discarding parts that are not in line with this
@Shamar @bob @aral @conservancy @vfrmedia
#RMS deserves credits, for sure.
Most of what he said or wrote about Free Software is right.
Moderate, but right.
Yet some of his opinions are simply and overly disgusting to me: https://stallman.org/archives/2016-sep-dec.html#31_October_2016_(Down's_syndrome)
When I defend his right to say weird things, I also hold him accountable for everything he says!
We agree sponsors shouldn't control content. Unlike most other conferences, we never sell keynotes or talk spots & we don't give sponsors access to program committee. #Copyleftconf sponsors get a thank you but no control. "Saying thank you"!="Saying they're the 'good guys'".
@conservancy So say “thank you” to the House of Saud too then, they also have a lot of money.
Why doesn’t the American Lung Association say thank you to Philip Morris? Why doesn’t Greenpeace say thank you to Exxon Mobil?
Clearly you don’t see Google as a bad actor or you wouldn’t have taken their money.
I can only surmise that you do not have a problem with surveillance capitalism.
> "Saying thank you"!="Saying they're the 'good guys'".
This is incredibly naive to say.
#Lawyers are not naive, usually.
Are you going to thank a burglar that send you back your family photos?
@aral and all, I did some legal/law study on the status of Software Freedom Conservancy and found out that luckly it's a 501(c)(3) charity organization, highly regulated in the USA and that which must act for the public good. From the documents in their website and also on the conference one tells me that they are fine and upstanding in their charge to act in the public good. Nothing here convinces me otherwise. See https://sfconservancy.org/blog/2018/oct/10/microsoft-oin-exfat/ , https://sfconservancy.org/about/filings/ , https://2019.copyleftconf.org/sponsors/become-a-sponsor .
@adfeno All the worse if they are fine and upstanding: the problem here is that they are legitimising surveillance capitalists. The more fine and upstanding they are the worse (better) the legitimisation.
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