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@aral I don't think I have an emoji sad enough for this.
@aral Not just a sponsor, but a Platinum sponsor.

The thing about Google and Facebook sponsoring all the major tech and privacy-related conferences is that how likely is a speaker to be accepted if they are critical of those companies, and how much self-censorship will occur out of fear of insulting the Platinum sponsor and not being invited back again.

@bob @aral

ROFTL! ! ! 🤣

Kuhn invited me to meet him and Fontana at #FOSDEM when I proposed the #HackingLicense to #Debian...

When I explained him that since a #Google engineer removed my name from #Harvey without removing my contribution, I'm going to carefully vet anything that comes from @conservancy, he didn't wrote me back.

Now they organize a #Copyleft conference with Google!

I really want to believe in good faith, but people... you are really challenging my suspension of disbelief!

@Shamar @conservancy @aral A question is whether they really needed the Google sponsor money. From a 2019 software freedom perspective it seems especially inappropriate to be promoting these big tech companies.

@bob @aral @conservancy

The means are to goals what the seeds are to trees.

I'm not a #moralist, I don't give a shit about how they collect their money as long as they use them well.

But this is like making a conference on #inequality sponsored by #Bezos.

It has a clear message:

Please, don't fight this battle too hard because if you win, we won't be able to fund conferences about the topic anymore!

@Shamar @bob @aral @conservancy I'm no expert on the FOSS politics, but every FOSS conference I see is sponsored by big corps (even Microsoft).

I think too many SV techbros are "caught in the monkey trap" where they literally cannot see anything other than neoliberal capitalism, especially when GAFAM provides them with what they view as secure, stable employment

Maybe like workers elsewhere continuing to work in coal mine or making cars that cheat environment regulations to stay in work..

@vfrmedia @conservancy @aral @bob @Shamar

On the FOSS politics, apart from everything already known about Google I expect that this year might be the one where they formally launch Fuchsia and begin on the road towards deprecating the Linux kernel. Fuchsia will be technically Free Software but not copyleft and the design of its architecture will be controlled by Google, allowing them greater opportunities for data exfiltration and inserting ads in a manner which can't be blocked.

@Shamar @bob @conservancy@mastodon.technology “The means are to goals are what the seeds are to trees.”

This.

Or, as I’ve often said, you plant a bullshit seed and you get a bullshit tree.

:indieHeart:

@Shamar @bob @aral @conservancy
Do they actually use any copyleft license for any of their own software? From what I can see, they're mostly using Apache and BSD.

@bob
ID gladly take the zuccbuccs and have people shit on him. It might be a one time deal tho
@aral

@bob @aral

This is similar to when Coca-cola sponsors nutrition studies.

@aral You are aware, however, that Google is member of the Open Innovation Network, as well as on the board of the GNOME foundation and in the list of donors of the FSFE? We have a funding problem for #SoftwareLibre or #EthicalSoftware ... 😐

LB -- fucking yikes. Like just... no. That's so unfortunate. I would bow out / freak out if I were trying to speak there.

@aral If anyone is attending the first copyleft conference, which I suppose will be a landmark, I would suggest a talk topic such as:

"A survey of tech conference sponsors: the ethics of influence"

@adfeno All the worse if they are fine and upstanding: the problem here is that they are legitimising surveillance capitalists. The more fine and upstanding they are the worse (better) the legitimisation.