Google’s also peddling a data collector through Apple’s back door

Almost as if… they’re both surveillance capitalists acting exactly as you would expect surveillance capitalists to act.

Via @laura

@aral Google pays Apple something like $9B a year, so I suspect that even if Apple knew about this, they just looked the other way. If they make Google stop now, it'll probably be only because it's being revealed on the heels of the Facetime vulnerability.

This raises the more concerning issue of the use of these kinds of applications (and even apps like GMail) to collect information about people aside from the person choosing to use the app.


@aral We need to shift the conversation so that it's no longer people choosing to expose just their own information, but information about everyone they interact with as well. It needs to stop being socially acceptable to let others spy on you.

@freakazoid @aral

When people email me from their gmail account, I ask them to email me from a different provider because I don't want Google having access to our correspondence. Bad enough the NSA and GCHQ do that shit.

@aral @freakazoid I'm going to have to put a FAQ on my website. Question 1: "Why don't you trust Google+?"

@freakazoid @aral
I'd add that it should also become bad manners to default to any amount of data collection, have less-than-solid encryption for everything, or not to offer a comfortable way to port your own data to another service.

You wouldn't eat at a restaurant where they scan your passport before they let you in, have no soap in the bathroom and tell you the price after you've eaten.

...metaphor limps a bit but still ...

@freakazoid @aral You can maintain the safest digital hygiene, there's always someone who will leak information on your behalf, because they cannot see any harm done.

There's a trillion dollars business on mass surveillance: this is the one to blame, not yourself, not your relations, but the militaro-industrial complex that creates both Frontex and Smart Cities. These are the same people.

@how @aral Blaming doesn't help me actually deal with the problem, and data leakage isn't binary. Digital footprint matters.

@aral @how Plus, this stuff happens because we've been getting gradually desensitized to it. All major cultural shifts happen because of the actions of individuals within the culture.

@aral @laura it will be interesting to see if Apple takes the same hard line with Google or if they let them “fix” the issue in the next bit. I wonder if the billions they get from Google will have any influence on that decision?

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